Spoilers and anime blogging - What's the right balance?

by feal879. August 2012 21:16

Hello,

Today we'll talk about a slightly different topic, compared to the usual episodic coverage of the summer season 2012, that I thought to be interesting to discuss with both readers and fellow anime bloggers.

Every once in a while, I find myself watching a very interesting/exciting anime episode and after writing a rich episodic article in a very short period of time, I end up losing more than half an hour thinking of a good title for the post.

Why? Well, while there are many titles that could do the job, I find myself questioning "will this title be considered a spoiler for the anime series or not?" or "What could the un-aware reader detect from this title?".

Hoshizora E Kakaru Hashi

Yes, "spoiler" and the so-called "spoiler warnings" are words that started to be used on the net many years ago back in the USENET ages to describe "any element of a summary/description that could reveal some important detail of story's plot".

Did you ever search for info on a particular anime series (Light novel/manga based) you were watching only to stumble in a post on a unknown forum describing in detail the ending of the story (picking info from the original material)?

The debate between netizens about what is the good way to approach in these situations is still active and there are many different "currents" of users approaching the problem from different point of views.

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How can you, as a writer, protect your readers from spoilers? In most recent blogging system you have access to "spoilers tags" that allow to create small hidden sections to protect your readers from knowing "too much" without their implied consent.

While this functionality is extremely good, what is considered a "spoiler" worthy of an hidden section of text? Is there even a unbiased opinion of what constitute a spoiler for all readers?

I got in the past criticized for giving out in my title that "Shinobu was going to appear in Nisemonogatari". I honestly felt a bit weird, because I didn't think that was really a spoiler or anything...

Hoshizora E Kakaru Hashi

Being "mostly" an episodic blogger and hating big spoilers myself, I try to write all posts in a way that doesn't give out any important detail about the storyline outside of the post being discussed.

An example of this would be the discussions over Sankarea last season, I did read the manga months before and knew what was going to happen, but tried to write a post without using that information and basing myself on what they've shown in the episode.

The titles however, are still some sort of "problem" for me, because it really isn't easy to come up with titles that while looking "enticing" don't give out much of what is going to happen in the episode being discussed.

Hoshizora E Kakaru Hashi

I'm, however, a bit curious about what is the "politically correct" approach when writing a full review of an anime / visual novel / manga series, especially as I almost never write any of these...

In those circumnstances, I feel that is almost necessary to use the story content in order to give proper reasoning for your votes/impressions, but by doing so you risk to alienate part of the community that still haven't watched that particular product.

I suppose that everything comes down to what is your audience and who do you want to cater for. Who are you going to target with your review? The veteran watcher? The random passerby? Both?

Hoshizora E Kakaru Hashi

And you? What is, for you, the best way to approach spoilers in a review/episodic article? What is the level of importance you give to being spoiler-free in your anime experience?

See you soon,

feal87

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8/9/2012 9:38:04 PM #

Miette-chan

For me it comes down to this, if you are on the internet you will get spoiled whether you want to or not.

As for content creators I like a bit of courtesy, do no spoil in the title or introduction to a post. The type of stuff that shows on an RSS feed reader when preview articles and so on. If the material has been out for a while then it's at the reader's risk to read about it.

On the other hand I think there is some responsibility for the reader, do not go read about shows or episodes you have not watched or plan to watch.

Although in my case accidental spoilers have caused greater interest, an event to look forward, seeing how the context and situations that lead to it is interesting for me as well.

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8/9/2012 9:41:58 PM #

feal87

That's sad, but the truth after all. It happened so many times to me that I've grown used to it.


That's what we all strive to do as we don't like angered readers either, but its sort of hard to understand what's a "spoiler" for everyone.

Yeah, it happened to me as well in the past. "How could that happen?! I need to KNOW!!!" O_O

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8/9/2012 9:39:19 PM #

marthaurion

So as a reader, I feel like spoilers are often a case-by-case sort of thing. Like being spoiled on some things is okay while other times it isn't without any sort of clear line of distinction. For that reason, I've always found spoiler tags and such to be fairly pointless. It doesn't matter what it is, I will pretty much always open the spoiler to see what it says. Maybe they're a godsend for others, but they're just extra clicks for me.

As a writer, I consider episodic posts to be points of discussion or analysis, so I run under the assumption that the reader has seen the episode (with the exception of first impressions) and tend to say whatever I feel about the show up to that episode. As for reviews, I consider them more a means of getting a brief overview plus an opinion of the show as a whole. For that reason, I avoid spoilers to give a reader an opportunity to read the review to decide whether the show is worth watching. It takes hours to watch a series, but only a few minutes to read a review (especially one of mine).

So I guess if we're talking about my experience as a watcher (of any media), I'm probably one of those few people that really doesn't mind spoilers because they quell my speculative mind. When I used to watch really long American TV shows, I would look at synopses of episodes pretty far down the line to see what happens and it didn't really detract my experience. So I guess I really don't mind being spoiled too much. That being said, when I'm writing episodic posts, I want my speculations to be as unbiased as possible, so I'll generally avoid the spoilers from original content and whatnot.

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8/9/2012 9:47:45 PM #

feal87

I sort of understand what you means, that "show spoiler" button looks so inviting and I end up clicking on it most of the times only to feel EXTREMELY guilty after reading the content beneath it. After all you can't forget the spoiler that you just read can you?


I agree with you here, episodics are points of discussion. The blogger is just the one to set "the topic" and introduce his own opinions and then someone else will receive the info and eventually answer to the blogger starting a discussion.

That's your approach then, you cater for the reader that still haven't watched that particular series. That seems to be "the majority" of writers really...

Well, that's the approach of the one who is more focused on the "evolution" of each episode and don't mind watching multiple time series he already know the outcome of.
I feel different there as I generally tend to watch story-focused series only once-twice because I feel "uninteresting" to follow down the same storyline/drama again. (Of course with some notable exceptions)

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8/9/2012 9:53:14 PM #

marthaurion

Nah...never feel guilty. I wanted to read it, so I'm cool with however it turns out.

I feel like any post otherwise is just gonna have to say "it was a good episode" to avoid giving anything away. So I see no point in restricting myself.

Seems like a solid strategy to me.

I wouldn't say that. I'm sure there are people like that, but I'm probably not one of them. Like you, I have trouble revisiting stories more than twice (unless a lot of time has passed). But there's a huge difference to me between what's said in words and what shows up on screen, so the spoiler never changes the experience watching it happen for me. That's why I don't care.

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8/9/2012 9:57:40 PM #

feal87

Of course Lelouch would never feel regret or guiltiness, would he?


Pretty much yes, as long as you're going to do episodics you need to talk about the current episode. It's pretty much a no-brainer...

*nods*

Not sure as the emotion of having something unexpected in front of you is strong indeed. I felt that way most of the time while watching Code Geass and that was the main propeller moving me to watch the whole first season in 2 (two) days.
Do you remember how every single time Lelouch managed to pull something out of his "cylinder" to impress and leave you without words?

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8/9/2012 10:10:35 PM #

marthaurion

Well, like I said, spoilers are case-based. So it's really hard for me to look at a specific incident and say "this would have been different if I knew/didn't know about this beforehand" because I can't possibly know the opposite case without experiencing it. Also, you seem to be referencing a scenario where every event is spoiled as opposed to just one (or a few), which is a bit extreme and possibly unrealistic.

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8/9/2012 10:14:51 PM #

feal87

True, without experiencing them it's hard to tell, but I feel like I would've raged hard if someone arrived in my house and started shouting...

Spoiler: Show
Euphemia dies by going terminator over the japanese!



I agree that it's case-based just as I explained for that particular situation with Nisemonogatari's title referring directly to Shinobu...I would've never thought that constitute a "spoiler" really...

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8/9/2012 10:18:36 PM #

marthaurion

Oh that...I definitely would've been fine with that stuff about Euphie. Never cared much for that girl.

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8/9/2012 10:20:28 PM #

feal87

I sort of agree with you that Euphie wasn't really much of a shock (compared to that poor Shirley at least....), but still it was the main "shock value" for the first season that I remember... (were there any other shocking scenes?
)

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8/9/2012 10:24:15 PM #

marthaurion

Well, maybe that means we weren't watching for the shock....

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8/9/2012 10:26:25 PM #

feal87

I was watching for...Pizza Hut?!

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8/9/2012 10:32:04 PM #

Micchi

Euphieeeeeeee T________T

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8/9/2012 10:33:26 PM #

feal87

She was such a good sister! T___T

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8/9/2012 10:29:36 PM #

marthaurion

...I can sorta see that.

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8/9/2012 10:31:01 PM #

feal87

http://goo.gl/ZhCIF Pizza Hut!

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8/9/2012 10:28:32 PM #

Chikorita157

In a sense, spoilers on any anime blog post is unavoidable to a certain degree unless its about the anime fandom. This is why I tend to be a little careful and also break off my post. Still, spoilers for comedy shot slice of life shows shouldn't matter much. It's shows that gives surprises or plot orientated like Madoka is where spoilers can turn bad.

As for me, I only focus on certain aspects in a episode, so one still has to watch it to get the full picture.

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8/9/2012 10:32:47 PM #

feal87

Yep, I think the same as well. Plot-focused story like Steins Gate, Madoka, etc... are the most risky when it comes to spoiler. While abnormally cute, I just can't get spoiled with Acchi Kocchi...


That's something I often do as well, as having no summary leaves me enough space to just talk about small parts of the episode.

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8/10/2012 12:06:47 AM #

Ecchi Catgirl

A synopsis has spoilers and that's what many people base their first impressions on before actually watching it. It gives away the whole premise of the series. So I'll usually find anime rated highly or a specific genre, ignore reviews and go in completely blind

Then if they just talk about the appeal of the series and what they liked, they may hype it up making it sound better or worse than it actually is.

I have been spoiled for a few shows. It didn't take away from the experience and when the part came up in the series I noticed I had forgotten the spoiler. Or I just didn't let the spoiler make an impression.

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8/10/2012 12:09:52 AM #

feal87

Well, that's something I don't really like to do. I generally prefer to watch 1-2 episodes before deciding if to watch or not a series, simply using a synopsis or opinions from someone else is most of the time lacking in "emotion".

I risked skipping very good series for bad reviews online. Isn't that sad?


You're lucky to be able to do that. I generally forget about stuff, but spoilers are ALWAYS in my mind and its impossible to forget about them...

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8/10/2012 12:19:48 AM #

Ecchi Catgirl

I don't like reviews that just point out the negatives because that one guy didn't enjoy the series. I prefer positive reviews saying what is good about the series obviously without spoilers. But there are some bad series so it's understandable to find reviews like these.

After 2 episodes I was still on the borderline of dropping Binbougami and now I love the series. Loli Ichika helped
Seriously, instead of a girl with everything and a horrible personality, she turns into someone willing to express her emotions over genuinely sad things..

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8/10/2012 12:23:19 AM #

feal87

yeah, negative rage reviews are somewhat annoying and I generally search people who have good things to say about a series in order to have more info on what to do.

I'm reading the manga too of Binbougami and I can say for certain that the series is golden and there is AWESOME material to adapt in the future. Especially the "fortune god" arc. You'll get to know more soon so be prepared for it!

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8/10/2012 3:14:40 AM #

Allergic2Cats

When watching a show (not limited to anime), I like to first identify the target audience and adjust my expectations accordingly. Not only it makes your experience better it also allows a more objective views on it. Although I don't deny that there is a threshold in terms of bad production quality and script writing... But as long as you can see that there's effort in the makings, then I have no reason to hate on it.

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8/10/2012 8:57:13 AM #

feal87

That's what I generally do as well because knowing the audience/genre is the key for not-expecting too much from a series. An Harem series is an harem series, pointless to be expecting real drama...


Yeah, but sometimes the difference is too evident though compared to your expectations like what happened with Guilty Crown.

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8/10/2012 9:50:54 AM #

Allergic2Cats

Ehh, GC came off to me as an idol show right off the bet, so when I just turn my brain off and enjoy the full speed train wreck xD

At least I get quality music, amirite?

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8/10/2012 10:18:31 AM #

feal87

Ahahah, god how I hated those GHQ soldiers trained at the "star wars sharpshooter academy"...


Yeah, the music in GC was MARVELOUS. I still listen to most of the songs included!

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8/10/2012 1:50:59 AM #

Krelra

as a reader of manga and light novels i like blogs that dont know or pretend to not know  whats going on in a serie.

like for fairy tail i really want to see a certain fight in a arc that hasent been animated yet the bloggers reaction will be the same as i was when it first came out in the manga

it brings a big smile to my face to see them going..omg those 2 people are really going to fight? this is going to be awesome! cant wait for the next episode

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8/10/2012 8:59:29 AM #

feal87

That's what I generally try to do in order not to spoil anything for anyone, as in the end we're trying to experience this medium (anime) together week by week in the best possible way.

Ahahah, it happens so often! The wait for a week to get the next episode is hard to bear! ç_ç

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8/10/2012 2:50:47 AM #

Allergic2Cats

While I don't write blog articles, I make it a habit to avoid any reference that might potentially give away characters or plot elements.
I usually do double spoiler tag just in case there are those trigger happy people.
Spoiler: Show
Yes, I mean you. Well, don't open the following tag. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Spoiler: Show
Congratulations. From now on you should just get yourself spoiled ahead of time, since you're gonna open every single spoiler tags anyway!
Spoiler: Show
Stop - poking - me!
Although I'll confess that I have a nasty habit of putting out hints and riddles in a very subtle manner in a way that it indirectly leads you to speculate towards what would been tagged with a spoiler...

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8/10/2012 9:01:48 AM #

feal87

Double spoiler tags? That's a nice idea, but I didn't knew that my spoiler code for the blog worked even if nested multiple times. That's a nice thing to know!


Hints and riddles are a nice way to create "emotions and anticipation" in the viewer and I don't mind those. It's nice to speculate and speculate about what is going to happen in the future (like what we do in our posts).

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8/10/2012 9:48:16 AM #

Allergic2Cats

Unfortunately, there will still be people who just open every single nested spoiler tag by reflex... OTZ

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8/10/2012 10:17:35 AM #

feal87

*nods*, I feel I would do that!

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8/10/2012 10:45:59 AM #

Allergic2Cats

Would you open this if I tell you it's a nuke class spoiler for SAO? O_O

Spoiler: Show
*facepalm*

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8/10/2012 11:06:13 AM #

feal87

*facepalm*

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8/10/2012 4:54:25 AM #

Highway

I think anything that's happened up to the current point in the medium you're consuming / reviewing is fair game. I know what you mean about the titles, because I know that I am sometimes a day or two behind on a particular title, and I feel like I either can't go to certain sites when I am behind if I know they tend to put what happened in the title. Maybe a solution is to use your clever title as a subtitle, and use a standard title as the main page title.

Using information from other mediums (LNs or manga if you're talking about the anime, etc) is something that I think is really off limits for an aniblogger, and I wouldn't even put it in spoiler tags. But then, it's more my style to speculate about the future stuff that could possibly happen in upcoming episodes of an anime. That's what I think is fun as a commenter (and now blogger). If I already know what's likely to happen from another source, that kind of ruins the personal fun I get from sharing my thoughts and speculations. Sure, it might make me look like a genius, but it sure wouldn't be good if it was ever found out to be 'cheating'.

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8/10/2012 9:06:09 AM #

feal87

Well, titles! I generally try hard not to give up too much, but your subtitle idea is nice. I'll think about it (it would require new coding in my blog...
) for a future improvement.

Yep, that's what I like to do as well. Speculating over the future of a series (What are you doing Chiyuri?!
) is really entertaining together with other people. A lot better than just using the original material and reading what happened cheating your way through...

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8/10/2012 6:34:43 PM #

asdfghjkl

that is quite amazing spending half an hour for a title hmm i guess having too much spoiler will ruin the experience for some people huh...but is the title really going to spoil so much that you need half an hour to think about it?

targeting both veteran reader and random passerby isn't it kind of impossible?

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8/10/2012 6:36:32 PM #

feal87

Well, it depends on what title you use, because if I go with a title like :

Spoiler: Show
Sword Art Online - Sachi dies in a trap!


How would a person who has not seen the episode feel?


True enough, I agree with your point of view, but there are still people who tries to do both.

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8/11/2012 2:58:26 AM #

Yerocha

This has always been a problem with certain series. I can think of a few times when just saying the name of a character was a massive spoiler. For the most part I try to stay away from anything to blatant in the title, even when the contents of any given post can be very indiscriminate.

Something this post reminded me of was a Vlog another blogger I know did:
www.glassreflection.net/.../
So I guess everyone has problems like this.

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8/11/2012 9:12:00 AM #

feal87

Some series are particularly easy to spoil due to the heavy number of twists per episode, but I suppose it can't be helped in the post content.


Yeah, sounds like we are not the only ones...

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8/11/2012 7:45:31 AM #

Hoshiko

Hmmm...this is an interesting one. I don't hate spoilers myself. I love them to a certain degree. While I do try not to give out too many details in my posts, sometimes I find it hard to write without giving the details. The only way to overcome this for me personally is to alert the readers at the top of the posts.

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8/11/2012 9:08:03 AM #

feal87

Sounds something special compared to anyone else here to love partially spoilers.


Yeah, giving warnings is fine, but I wonder if its "implied" when they open your post watching the title...

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