Story endings. Better happy or sad? Abrupt or well-paced?

by feal8728. June 2012 22:47

Hello,

Today we'll talk about a slightly different topic (compared to the usual episodic coverage of the current anime series) that I thought of interest for all of you.

After watching yesterday Tasogare Otome X Amnesia's finale, I started to think about how much the ending of a particular story affect the level of enjoyment that we have from the full product.

Even if the series as a whole was extremely enjoyable, you end up with that "that's it?!" feeling when they disappoint you with just the last couple of minutes of the last episode.

Steins Gate

My memory goes back to the old ages of anime (at least for me) when I first watched Last Exile that is one of the most popular series animated by Gonzo in the long past 2003.

The series was golden for most of its run with a gripping storyline, likeable characters, an impressive world setting and one of the best animation style/quality of the time. I clearly remember how striking it was the difference in animation quality between Last Exile and the rest of the series. 

Everything was going smoothly till the last couple of episodes where the story started to make less and less sense to the point of leaving yourself with an almost infinite series of "WTF?!" and a bad taste in the mouth.

Steins Gate

There are many other example of stories that get ruined by abrupt, forced or simply bad endings. Let's think about Ookami Kakushi (anime), Tsukuyomi Moonphase (anime), Voices from Har Megiddo (Visual Novel), etc...

And here we get to the questions I had in mind. What are the rules that a company must follow in order to make an enjoyable ending for me? What exactly are the "no-no" situations that they should avoid?

The first important thing that I search from an anime ending is CLOSURE. I want a story that start introducing some events, develop them and finish giving enough explanations in order to make all of them understandable.

Steins Gate

Truth to be said, while I do prefer happy endings, a sad ending (for example Fate Zero) won't compromise the final vote of a series as long as the story continues to follow the same path they build up till that point in the whole series.

What I really don't like is when series decide to do a 180° turnaround at the very end destroying all the build-up they've made in order to pursue a particular ending. (Do you remember Kimikiss : Pure rouge?!)

By the way, I also don't like playing the "let's try to decypher the author's intentions" game whenever an author decide to go with vague stuff expecting viewers to fill in the gaps. It was one of the most played game when watching Mawaru Penguindrum after all!

Steins Gate

Probably the best example of "perfect ending" for me is Steins;Gate that is also the second highest scoring anime in my all-time rankings. The story in this series had plenty of time to develop and never really wasted too much time in fillers.

The final crescendo of emotions was incredible to watch and they closed all the remaining main questions I had over the story with an optimal explanation.

On the top of all this, they even managed to fit a well written happy end showing Kurisu surviving and at the same time remembering the time she spent with Okabe!

Steins Gate

And you? What are the rules that you think are best to follow in order to make an excellent ending? Do you have an example of series that followed your rules? What is the most memorable ending in your anime life?

See you soon,

feal87

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6/28/2012 11:07:49 PM #

marthaurion

Is it even a contest? Of course Code Geass has the absolute best ending of all time. But to you point, I'd say that it's easy for you and I to say we like an ending with closure, but I know some people who would much rather prefer that a series keeps going, so they would likely prefer an ending that doesn't resolve everything (that opens up to a continuation of some kind).

In my case, while a happy ending is fine, I think there's such a thing as a "too happy" ending. The idea being that despite the hardship and sadness that happens, everything magically becomes perfect in the end. In Steins;Gate's case, they got close to this. Maybe I just have a problem with the perfect ending itself.

To your final point, I'd say that I don't have a set of rules for what a good ending is. If I did, I'm sure I'd get bored of continuously seeing that kind of ending. It's not that I need a surprise either. There are plenty of predictable endings that are fine with me.

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6/28/2012 11:14:33 PM #

feal87

I liked Code Geass ending a lot, but there were many unexplained things that left me a bit "wtf", especially around the whole will-of-the-world thing.
I mean, Lelouch ordered God to kill the emperor or what? How that even work being his eyes limited to living beings?

I don't mind a perfect ending as long as the development till that point is up to par. All the suffering Okabe endured was extreme to say the least. I just can't understand how it feels to watch powerful a person you like a lot die multiple times in front of you. He needed a reward! >_<

Symphogear?

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6/28/2012 11:32:33 PM #

marthaurion

Buildup may have been weird, but if you talk about the ending itself, it stands on its own. If they put too many rules on the power of Geass and CC and C's World and all that jazz, then the ending loses meaning. I'd say it loses the individual-interpretation effect. I think it also shows the an ending that can be unexplained, yet satisfying.

In Steins;Gate, I accepted this perfect ending because permanent death for these characters isn't all that meaningful. But there's a point where it's annoying how happy people want to make an ending. I think that sometimes, people just need to let go.

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6/28/2012 11:43:35 PM #

feal87

The ending of Code Geass was fine as it is to be honest and I'm not one of the members of the "Lelouch didn't die!" society. He reached his objective by gathering all hate on him and well, he died happy.

There are cases where sad endings are just fine. Try to think about Fate Zero, what would've you thought of the story if at the end they pulled a "let's resurrect Iris and make her live with Kiritsugu. LOL!"?

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6/28/2012 11:22:44 PM #

Hayasaki42

My favorite ending...Hmmmm, I was gonna make memory but then one came up at light speed: G Senjou no Maou "True Route". Simply epic. Or some others ending that I have in high stem are Tengen Toppa and Akumetsu (manga). Those are the cases when a second season, a fandisc or something alike would totally destroy the work (even though I'd love to see Haru again...). More like rules, I'd say an ending that gives you that feeling of "closing the story", that is developed through the last chapters and it's not some Deus ex machina (finally used the phrase in a sentence!). Reason why most of the time 12 episodes are just not enough to give you a good serie (not always, I know).

And the other side of the coin, the bad ones, the WUT?! ones, or those that seemed like they didn't have enough budget nor ideas to finish the story. No Evangelion for WUT?! ending?! Well, it's kinda explicit already. Other of the same type would be from one of my favorite series Excel Saga, with an anime ending in the most weird way I could think of.
PS: I also loved Steins;Gate ending! and the OVA was like a dessert, full of vanilla.

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6/28/2012 11:28:30 PM #

feal87

Ahahah, I have to agree that G Senjou no Maou true route was something exciting to follow and I really would like to see an anime adaptation of it sooner or later.


We match out ideas here, as I said I agree that a story must have a well thought and executed ending in order to enter the "like" category. Deus Ex Machina events rarely work out...

Yes, 12 episodes are generally too few, especially as they generally spend 2-3 episodes in pointless fillers...


I completely forgot to mention "Melody of Oblivion", that series was the incarnation of WUT?!. It was IMPOSSIBLE to understand what the hell was going on...did you watch it?

P.S. DELICIOUS Suzuha's mother is DELICIOUS!

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6/28/2012 11:47:40 PM #

Hayasaki42

I'd love as well! Only if the don't cut scenes (well the H ones are understandable), it must be the same as the true route. No original!!! Just stick to the piece like in FMA Brotherhood...please...

Yeah, even though I like epic endings or God-like power ups, ending something like that is not heading that way will be in my black list.
First is the introduction, to every characters, there goes like 3-5 episodes, if we add fillers, there is only some episodes to finish the story, but that does not really leave great impression on the watcher, as the character development tends to be really rushed and you end up hating some characters...

I only have like 4years since I started with Excel Saga (first anime, leaving the really mainstream ones, DBZ, Saint Seiya and the likes...) and even though I dig in really hard some times, I missed some jewels that are like canon here...Weird I didn't see that one, sci-fi, psychological, and harem-oso...now if I could get it in a torrent now...

PS: maid Kurisu, moe overdose...!!!

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6/28/2012 11:56:48 PM #

feal87

Well giving the length of the VN and the different medium I can sort of understand if they removed some scenes as long as they keep everything else just as it is! (H Scenes excluded)


Yes, exactly my thoughts. That's why 24/26 episodes series generally end up becoming well-accepted by viewers! They have all the time to develop their story without looking "endless" either.

Well, there are too many anime to watch them into a reasonable timeframe of a couple of years. I suggest you to give anyway a look at the original Last Exile, its one of the classics of animation and a great story overall.


P.S. What part of "ALL the girls are mine!" you don't understand?!

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6/29/2012 12:12:50 AM #

Hayasaki42

......they REALLY need to be excluded? At least implicit, like Agarest, but yeah, a 24-26 would suit that VN sooo great! And if the're making Little Busters, I may have some hopes....(I know...but I'll have hope!)

So that is kinda a standard for a good serie, memorable but not worldwide, since it'll need a little more episodes. And the 11-13 for a night of mini-marathon...
That reminds me, Fate Zero just finished the download, that means: Tonight I Dine in Saber!!! (if you know what I mean...)

If you know what animes I have yet to see, you'll probably bann me from here...
I'll give it a try, as well as the Oblivion one.

PS: So, we have come to this...takes out chess set*...or would you like to try your luck on Shogi? (after last episode of MB)

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6/29/2012 12:24:38 AM #

feal87

I'm a bit scared of Little Buster's adaptation to be honest. it's in J.C. Staff's hands and you know better than me that its hard to trust them...


Ahahah, good luck and let us know your opinions at the end!

Oblivion is a WTF anime. I wonder if you'll manage to keep sanity after watching it...

P.S. Let's fight at Mahjong! (Saki-influenced...
)

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6/29/2012 12:33:13 AM #

Hayasaki42

Let's just for it to become a "not so bad" anime adaption...that is the only thing we can do for now...

Yeah, I'm prepared already with the HD TV, popcorns, enough Dr. Peper to revive a complete military sanctuary and a couch as fluffy as heaven's clouds.

Hey, I'm in that category as well, so maybe it will end un liking the anime and even the ending!
Onw thing I forgto to mention: epilogue. That is what makes my endings...my favorite example: Tayutama's epilogue. Simply epicness. Even if I didn't really liked the serie, that epilogue is one of my top.

PS: That is well for my too!!! With our LP on the line!! (Legend of Koizumi's influence...)

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6/29/2012 12:45:27 AM #

feal87

Yeah, let's hope...

Dr Pepper! Alice and Kurisu are watching you now!


Ahahah, are you talking about the anime or erogè route? Because I didn't like much the anime (they choosed as always the "wrong" girl!
)

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6/29/2012 12:48:53 AM #

Hayasaki42

I'm a physician, what can I say? Remember, it's the drink of scientist! While watching a serie of magic, reincarnation, holy grial and SEIBAAAAAAR!!!!!

The anime, didn't like it as well, but that epilogue made my day.

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6/29/2012 12:50:21 AM #

feal87

Goodluck my friend, may the grail shine upon you. (and cover you in cursed mud!)

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6/29/2012 12:51:54 AM #

Hayasaki42

Thanks, man.
But you may hate me after this one sentence: "I have yet to see Madoka Magica..."

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6/29/2012 12:54:52 AM #

feal87

Don't worry, Kyubey is happy this way. It's easier to talk with people if they didn't watch it!

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6/29/2012 12:57:48 AM #

Hayasaki42

Because of another mahjong match? Well, I'm  still on the bright and legal side of the loli line...so I don't think I'll try to steal them from you...

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6/29/2012 12:59:05 AM #

feal87

Yeah, yeah they all say this way!

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6/29/2012 1:05:03 AM #

Hayasaki42

Nishishishishishi!!!
It's not like I try to hide it with the big breasted and sexy type (Yuuko reference)...
I mean it, I still have some traumas after a friend say some thing about the topic.

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6/28/2012 11:26:29 PM #

BeldenOtaku

Endings are a tricky bit, the hard part is separating your enjoyment from experiencing the series ongoing and the new sensation of it being over. Some series, like Steins;Gate as you mentioned, culminate into a great ending that ties up all the necessary loose ends in a way unforeseen by the viewers, but it still left enough interest to keep a fandom going (it's not like the characters didn't have lives ahead of them, or as if the mechanics of the series were so simple to discuss).
While others, like C cubed or Infinite Stratos, leave different "tastes" after the ending.
C cubed left us (most) wanting more, because it obviously wasn't the end of the story. Obviously there was more to deal with that the heros didn't get too in the first season.
While Infinite Stratos raced into a lackluster ending that had little to no plot build-up. 10 episodes of fanservice with robots sprinkled in, 2 episodes of filler or actual "plot".
Endings, while sometimes short and only, time-wise, a small percentage of the series compared to the overall plot, seem to carry more condensed weight as they are the last course of the series, the last "taste", if you will. Depending on the series' intent, an inconclusive ending could be good or bad. If it's intending for a 2nd season, the still standing questions and incomplete story could be the bridge to the continuing series, but if the story should be completed or wrapped up, leaving loose ends looks sloppy and leaves a "bad taste".
I guess it's better, regardless of whether or not the series is aiming for another season, to leave a conclusive ending. Because even the most conclusive endings will inevitably leave scraps for the story to pick up. But those scrapes are another story for another day.

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6/28/2012 11:36:13 PM #

feal87

I have to agree that sometimes rating a series just after it ended may produce some "strange" effect because you're still excited about the ending to the point of partially bias your vote.

Some of the Steins Gate concepts were pure fantasy, but they at least tried to explain how they worked in their ideal world.

Yeah, Cube Cursed X Curious really left us with the so-called "Hey, where is the next episode" syndrome. Everything seems to imply that the story is far from being over, but will they really decide to make a second season of it?!


Infinite Stratos isn't considered by me a story-focused anime, so I don't really care. I did watch it only for the girls romantic comedy anyway.


Conclusive endings are better unless they are sure to be able to adapt a second season in a short timeframe like what they've done with Rinne no Lagrange and Fate Zero. In the end the two season should simply be considered a single bigger one.

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6/28/2012 11:54:43 PM #

BeldenOtaku

Like Rinne no Lagrange, Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon also screams THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER SEASON THE STORY IS FAR FROM OVER! If anything, that first season was like a prologue (that forgot the novel's prologue explaining the Horizon universe, but I digress).

It's always important to understand that there are two different perspectives to a series, the mindset of being a viewer in the middle of the airing, you don't know what's going to happen, but you happily (or sometimes begrudgingly) discuss the possible conclusions that you can derive from present plot points. And then there's the perspective post-viewing, you know the series, beginning-to-end, and you can now wholly see how all the plot points did (or didn't) work towards progressing and empowering the conclusion. And this conclusion holds a large portion of bias towards your views toward the plot points as well.

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6/29/2012 12:01:17 AM #

feal87

Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon is a good series of which I'm waiting the second season that will air in a couple of days. I wonder if it'll make more sense this time around. (I had to read part of the novels to understand better the story...
)

That's a point, watching a series episode after episode gives you much more time to think about possible endings and maybe you also end up self-influencing yourself into thinking "this is the best choice" ending up disillusioned when they choose something else.

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6/29/2012 12:13:14 AM #

BeldenOtaku

It's especially disillusioning when you've come up with an ending prior to the actual ending, only to be disappointed by it's lack of whatever-you-thought-should-be-there.
This can lead to a bashing of the whole series if you feel the ending doesn't to it justice.

Kinda like me and Senki Zesshou Symphogear, I liked it, until the ending.

But, at the same time, it can be even more exciting when a series presents an ending, different from yours, but more conclusive or enthralling. There's a sort of doubling effect resulting in even more enthusiasm as your expectations have been surpassed.

Also, I always tell people to read the wiki page on Horizon before watching, or else they might drop the series from sheer confusion.

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6/29/2012 12:28:01 AM #

feal87

I loved the ending of that series as well to be honest. I knew in my heart that she was going to survive since the very first episode.


That's something really hard to find though...


I watched in awe the final "discussion battle" between Horizon and Aoi. Quite an heartwarming scene...

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6/29/2012 12:15:00 AM #

Dusk252

I don't really make much distinction between happy and sad endings (though by know you must already be able to guess I have a bit of a bias towards the sad ones). Anyway, what really matters to me is the execution and how well it manages to leave the viewers with a genuine sense of closure (which pretty much matches your opinion).

Characters should get to terms with their issues, plot points shouldn't be left unresolved, the ending must derive from previous build-up and stay consistent with the setting, world-building and constraints stated earlier in the story. That's my ideal ending, regardless of being happy or sad.

One thing I'd like to add is that, while an abrupt ending is rarely appealing to me, it can be one of the best if properly executed. It's hard to pull off, but once it succeeds, it's something that won't get out of one's mind for long.

It's hard for me to decide which is the best ending I've watched, though when I think about it, I haven't watched that many which I'd consider "great". If we're including movies, than I guess my choice would be Suzumiya Haruhi no Shoushitsu, as it has a nearly perfect ending, fulfilling all of the aforementioned requisites which are so important for me. I love how Kyon wakes up with just having "fallen from the stairs", the statement of his resolve to Yuki and the subtle mentioning of having to eventually go to the past to save himself, closing what could be the only plot hole in that amazing movie. As for TV series, it's a gamble between Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Ga-rei: Zero and Fate/Zero.
Steins;Gate's ending comes of from an unexpected, yet amazingly pulled off, plot development, and it's also as satisfying as it could get.
Ga-rei: Zero's establishes Yomi as an unbelievably good character, gives closure to the series, is highly emotional, well directed and pretty sad too.
FMA: Brotherhood gets the normal shounen solution to the plot (not exactly normal, as FMA is the best shounen I've ever watched and will probably remain like that for times to come), except it makes total sense (I'm looking at you Soul Eater - a punch of courage, really?) and has one entire episode dedicated to the aftermath and the closure on every character's fronts.
Fate/Zero's isn't as closed an ending, thanks to being a prequel. However, and despite that, it still managed to resolve pretty much all current plot points and give a closure (though for some a temporary one) to all characters (half of them were already dead anyway). It was sad, it was tragic, yet it was still somewhat bittersweet, instead of completely crushing, and it was the cherry at the top of the great exposure of ideologies we were shown.

Anyway, despite being unable to take a single pick, these are my favorite endings, and that's the type of ending I appreciate the most. (Also, I love those opinion posts of yours^^)

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6/29/2012 12:42:05 AM #

feal87

Of course you have bias over sad endings, after all you like Urobuchi! I suppose its something that is automatic whenever someone likes his writings.


We generally agree on this matter then, because that's my thinking as well. It's irritating when they just jump around in the story without explaining anything of it. It's even more irritating when people start writing books  speculating over "nothing" more than hints left in the story...


Yes, I completely forgot to mention Suzumiya Haruhi's movie and I agree with you that it was a very satisfying ending with developments, explanations and everything! Kyon is one of the best protagonist out there!

I think the same of Ga Rei: Zero as well, even if I was extremely saddened from the ending. I mean, Yomi was just a poor victim of the circumnstances and she REALLY needed an happy end...  (I won't say much, but the manga is quite different in how the story progressed from that point on...)

Fate Zero was tragic, but good and they did give enough closure to all the side-stories for being a prequel. Of course, you simply can't insert all the information into an adaptation of a TYPE-Moon based work, there are simply too much interconnections/side material for it to be feasible. Sometimes I lose hours in the Type Moon wiki reading random articles...

(Thanks, they can't be as frequent as episodics, but I try to churn out one every 1-2 weeks.
)

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6/29/2012 8:26:15 AM #

Dusk252

Yep, it should be obvious and a natural conclusion. (The guy has that kind of reputation ^^)

I thinking most people would agree on what a good ending is, anyway. But your comment reminded me that you referred Mawaru Penguindrum here as an example of the non-explaining that brings so much speculation and is therefore regarded as "deep". To be honest, I loved Mawaru Penguindrum. And I didn't think it was that open of a story, as though abstract fantasy points it had, all of them were, in fact resolved, and within the scope of what the series had established I found them to really make sense. However, it's also truth that the same can't be said about the numerous, seemingly nonsensical details that appeared in between. But that's also an element that I loved. I hated it in works like Serial Experiments Lain, to be honest, because while it touched several interesting themes, it was way to vague and dull for me to wither enjoy it, or be able to reach any conclusion in analyzing it. On the other hand, Mawaru Penguindrum is like an abstract piece of art. It's beautiful and entertaining. Forget what you think the author wanted to convey and focus on what was, for yourself, effectively conveyed. And Mawaru Penguindrum had a lot to tell, being full of a tone of social critic that I can say I loved to bits. Just my two cents on it.

Yeah, tying up the time traveling plot device correctly is not always easy (much on the contrary), and the movie made such an amazing job at it... And I agree that Kyon truly is one of the best protagonists out there.

I wouldn't want a happy ending for her. Yes, she was indeed a victim of circumstances (and seriously, could those have been any worse!?), but the fact that she never lost her determination and her dedication to Kagura, even when in such a state were truly amazing. That cellphone scene... Just... Heartbreaking.
(I know that the Ga-Rei: Zero is a prequel to the manga, and I've heard some good and some bad things about it. I may have to read it one of these days.)

Me too. Type-Moon wiki is a total time-waster xD Though really, one day I intend on reading all of their material (it's an objective with difficulty on the level of a life goal, I know) xD Regarding Fate/Zero, I was sad some little details were omitted from the novel (as I said in my review), but overall it is an excellent adaptation.

(Of course they can't - that'd be lots of work, and there aren't that many themes to come up with something different everyday. I'm happy with this kind of frequency, but if I may say, I'm usually looking forward to them^^)

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6/29/2012 10:14:26 AM #

feal87

Oh yeah!


I enjoyed Mawaru Penguindrum as a series and as a story (I wrote many episodic too in this blog. All of the them generally positive even if I somewhat disliked the ending), but I really didn't like all the "let's try to discover the hidden meaning of the universe" attitude most bloggers took when watching/reviewing the series.
It's some sort of bad feeling that I experienced when I was following Madoka too, I loved the series, but didn't like much all the pointless speculation over each detail.

The manga is extremely different from the prequel anime series (it's a shounen series after all) and if you read you'll likely be surprised about how the two series diverge in terms of content/violence/ending. I have to say that I enjoyed the manga as well, because...well I'll stop here.

Ah Ah! Fat Chance, I suppose its easier for you to become the US President than reading all the side-material of TYPE-MOON!


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6/29/2012 2:51:11 PM #

Dusk252

I see. I'm usually one that loves speculating, though that's mostly over plot details, not abstract imagery. I do enjoy reading some of the analysis regarding those elements, rather than feeling bad about it. Well, it seems to be a point where we differ.

Thanks for not spoiling it^^ I'm not sure how I'd take those differences, but I can't tell unless I read it, and while I plan on doing so, I have plenty of manga to catch up to with way higher priority. (And I'm not even a manga person.)

Then I guess it's impossible, since I'm not even American, thus I could never become the US President xD Way to go destroying my life goal x/

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6/29/2012 2:55:07 PM #

feal87

Well, it's all about tastes I suppose. I like speculating over the plot, but feel pointless trying to extract meaning from colors, object positions, etc...

Don't tell me about it Dusk252, I have like hundreds of manga series I would like to read, but the time is short and importing them is quite costly too...


A few years later..."the first foreigner female U.S. President is Dusk252!"...

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6/29/2012 5:40:59 PM #

Dusk252

Sometimes those things do have meaning, especially colors, which have they're own established connotations, though most of the time I do think that some authors try to just push some symbolism on to their creations simply to get that type of viewers all fueled up.

Yeah---it's rather annoying for me too, indeed. Especially since I have tons of hobbies and manga just happens to be one of the lowest priority ones.

Now I'll definitely pick up all and every side story by Type Moon (though first I have to learn Japanese xD), for after finally completing them, I'll have a very nice position waiting for me.
(Electoral slogan: "Dusk252 had the patience, determination and drive to go through a troublesome collection of pointless entertainment titles. With a new and more noble goal at range, this kind of qualities will be pushed further. Vote for the one who can work hard and efficiently enough to change the country. Vote for Dusk252!") xD

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6/29/2012 5:48:20 PM #

feal87

Likely that's the reason and I wonder if they're laughing now reading all the blog posts they generated with a misplaced item in the scenery...

If you add up that work takes up 8 hours a day, the time remaining is very short...


Oh god, that sound like an electoral speech I would like to vote for real. I'm not an U.S. citizen, but I would become one just to vote for you in the coming elections!

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7/1/2012 8:03:50 AM #

Dusk252

Wouldn't it be awesome if we could really have some info on their reactions? I'd laugh so much myself...

Well, I've never had a full-time job, so I can't say much about it. But I did take a part-time job while studying in my last year of high school (to buy a smartphone and save up money for college - both of which goals I could accomplish), so I guess I have an idea how it's like.

Is that so? Maybe I should just drop modern physics and get myself involved in politics then xD

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7/1/2012 9:15:57 AM #

feal87

Yes, that would be simply awesome...


Exactly, when you start with a full time job you'll start to notice that your free time dwindle down and everything seems to be focused on your week-ends...

Go ahead and make sure there is a bishoujo for everyone. (and many for me!  *__*)

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6/29/2012 2:58:28 AM #

Yerocha

I know a lot of people who go off on bad endings more than anything else. I can't tell how many times I heard this one girl on Twitter bash the ending of Durarara, which I only thought was a bit slower than the rest of it.

For me the sign of a good ending isn't so much whether it's happy or sad but in how whole it feels. The hardest part of seeing Mahou Sensei Negima end was knowing that the story was nowhere near over, and it almost felt like a deliberate attempt to answer as few questions as possible. It doesn't stop me from liking the rest of the series, but you should never end something like that if you have the choice.

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6/29/2012 9:58:12 AM #

feal87

I agree with you that ending a series trying to close only few of the remaining side-stories while keeping the others at large is a bad way to end a series. I don't know much about the latest chapters of Negima (I'm a bit behind with it), but I can sort of understand your pain.
It's one of the few things I most hate! >_<

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6/29/2012 3:09:55 AM #

Ecchi Catgirl

The Negima manga had one of the worst endings. The series was perfect with a good taste for mixing fan service and great action, but left many things untold and pretty much skipped to the ending. I would still recommend the series, but not with the same light as if it had a good ending.

The ending needs closure and as long as there aren't important plot points left to be sorted out, I don't really mind a simple wrap up. Shorter series shouldn't have this problem though, I just think Tasogare forced an uneeded happy ending.

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6/29/2012 10:04:51 AM #

feal87

I see lots of people complaining about Negima's ending. I'm curious and I'll likely restart reading only to find out what really happened after all those volumes!


Same thoughts here, the ending was unnaturally bent in order to give an happy end to everyone. I have to try and force me to think that the series ended when Yuuko...>_<

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6/29/2012 6:51:04 AM #

AdamEve

My initial response is that a good ending resolves the series, wraps it up but allows us to enjoy what we enjoyed about it without be forced into the Director's personal whim or desires. So i resist or dont watch series that the Director is clearly trying to "break the mold" or create a new trope, i dont need that. I want to enjoy Anime for what it is in its best sense. If i can choose, happy endings every time. Sad ones i know come along and are part of the Japanese view for they love the tragic hero, me, not so much. I will think on this more.

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6/29/2012 10:05:55 AM #

feal87

Yep, that's what I think as well, A good ending should close all the remaining side-story without distorting the series in order to fulfill a desire from the Director/Scriptwriter.

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6/29/2012 12:22:05 PM #

Wieselhead

When an anime finishes, I'm always kind of sad, but at least I want to see my favorite characters in a sort of happy end. I hate abrupt endings and when the ending is forced into the last three episodes of a 20+ anine it's even worse.

The best endings for me always have a nice epilogue after the credits,"saying goodbye" is easier for me like that.

In my case a sad ending will always compromise the final vote, even though it's just a small part of my vote(-1 or -2 in general).

The ending of Tayutama: Kiss on my Deity had a big effect on me, a quite medicore anime, but the ending was sad in such a convincing way, that I started to cry hard 2 minutes after the end. In a more positive way I liked the ending of Eureka Seven and also Welcome to the NHK!.

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6/29/2012 12:43:32 PM #

feal87

Same thoughts here, I would rather prefer to have an happy end (see Steins;Gate), but I won't dislike a series simply because its sad. Abrupt endings are generally problematic instead...


Yeah, I sort of predicted that judging from your final talk over Fate Zero. That was a big sad ending and I had an hard time watching the episode involving Iris downfall...

Tayutama had a bomb-ending and I was clearly not expecting that outcome. I have to say that after reading the visual novel I prefer Ameri over Mashiro...

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6/29/2012 1:48:59 PM #

Hoshiko

I like happy endings but I don't mind seeing a bittersweet ending; however, I prefer the anime not to have abrupt ending or sudden change of pace that's a little hard to grasp. Like Chaos;Head for example. It's really good first half but the sudden change of pace reduced the level of enjoyment I had.

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6/29/2012 2:06:31 PM #

feal87

Yeah, I remember that Chaos;Head had quite a nice premise and starting episodes, but the story started to become cluttered halfway through...

It's also sort of what happened with Tasogare Otome X Amnesia where they did a 180° turn and ignored the emotional goodbye scene of just some minutes before.

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6/29/2012 2:56:54 PM #

adfghjkl

happy ending with a lot of blood and dead bodies and yandere girl killing the world for no reason or harem ending is the best for me.

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6/29/2012 2:57:47 PM #

feal87

My friend, while I can agree that the second one is a perfect way to end any kind of series, the first is just...

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6/29/2012 3:02:18 PM #

asdfghjkl

lol i prefer happy ignore the first one eh?

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6/29/2012 3:06:08 PM #

feal87

*nods*

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6/29/2012 4:33:11 PM #

Ginnodangan

For me it isn't the ending but how it reaches it that's important, you could even extend this to how the series as a whole is handled by whether or not the story remains consistaet, developing the characters and presenting relevant details, or just messes around. By the time the end approaches the characters should be clearly defined, and we should care about them and whatever struggle they're going through to a certain degree. If it can't do this I really don't think its worth watching.

In this aspect I can't help but agree with your example of Steins;Gate, Okabe grew tremendously along the way, all the characters got their development, and Okabe's plight itself was simply compelling. White Fox knew where they were going with it and didn't seem to falter one step of the way. I could probably come up with a few more examples but I sadly can't exactly think of any at this moment.

Sadly I haven't gotten around to finishing Tasogare Otome X Amnesia yet, I must have been around halfway through it before I fell behind. Either way it's still on my watch list.

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6/29/2012 5:03:31 PM #

feal87

Yes, continuity is important in an anime series and one of the features I prefer when watching/reading a story. The developments, just like you said, need to be iterative presenting more and more details till reaching the point where the "ending" is ready.

It was really heartstrucking to watch Okabe fight against fate itself in order to save Mayuri from death. His struggle was one of the most emotional moments I ever experienced in anime...

You're going to rage so hard...

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6/29/2012 7:29:40 PM #

Azriyel

I don't mind whatever the ending is sad or happy as long as it's not rushed and it does make sense , for example i liked the endings of Full Metal Alchemist ( manga ) , Steins;Gate , Death Note , and Kara no Kyoukai because they resolve the remaining  plot points and dosn't live you with unanswered question , they also make you realize that the characters have changed a lot in there journey or adventure .
for example of endings I didn't like there is Evangelion it really gave me the feeling that the writers just pick up random philosophical and religious reference and mixed it with a bit of drugs , last exile ( you know why ) and Code Geass

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6/29/2012 10:39:01 PM #

feal87

Agreed, all the series you mentioned are good endings with clear details and plenty of explanations. The point is that leaving stuff to the viewer's interpretation is just "wrong" because it leads to uncertainty...


Last Exile and Evangelion are both "WTF series" in terms of endings, but it's such a shame because both had quite a nice premise...

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6/29/2012 11:21:14 PM #

AdamEve

Interesting point about Last Exile a little ways up the thread, that is one of my all time favorites but it has a very odd things in it, and the story is obscure to the max towards the end, after watching it four times i was able to figure out some of it, but i had to research the writers' intentions to finally understand things that they should have told us at some point, we never really get the full story and it is clear that most of the people IN the story know what is going on. That ending was therefore not as good as it might have been, tho it did wrap things up. There are some really good endings, Tower of Druaga is a good example for the give us lots of little pictures of things to let us know what is happening to the characters, others have a warm and fuzzy wrap up, like Usagi Drop, Tamayura Hitotose, Sacred Blacksmith, Genshiken and Kujubiki Unbalance others have interesting or formative endings like Eureka 7, Code Geass (I know the truth about LaLouche but wont spoil anyone who doesnt want to know), Night Raid 1931, and some either have epic long awaited endings like Inuyasha which we had to wait years for because the author was not sure herself how it should end, Kenshin which had a kind of sad ending but right for him, Black Lagoon had a quite moving ending but hopefully we may get more, Anu Natsu de Materiu which i hope has more had a good surprise ending, and some are sad but work because it makes sense...like Kurokami where we see the ending about 40 years after.but some i dont like like Phantom Requiem because the writers are really yanking our chain and trying to disturb us to snatch away any kind of happy resolution to prove their power and just out of spite....ditto with the Harem series that pick the absolutely wrong person like Shuffle, and some others. A good topic, more to think about. ah, yes i wanted to mention an interesting series, Divergence Eve and Misaki Chronicles, it has a bitter sweet ending, but it is an underrated and neglected series, it has some remarkable elements and was largely misunderstood in the US because of the dimensions of the female characters...a silly thing to focus on when it is an interesting and unusual series.

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6/30/2012 1:12:01 AM #

feal87

Yes, Last Exile was a good series till the very end where they started to make less and less sense. I wonder what could've happened if they managed to make a proper ending too...
It could've become one of the best series of all time...*_*

Judging from the list of anime you mention I feel we have a very similar taste in terms of anime and endings.


Shuffle...don't remind me about it. Either Primula or Kaede should've win the harem race instead of Asa...

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6/30/2012 12:47:44 AM #

AdamEve

ah i did not see your comment about Evangelion, that was a terrible series, largely because of one of the worst endings in Anime history, the director trashed several of the most important relationships and characters in the entire series, and deserved was roundly hated for it in Japan, he even got death threats and i would be happy to add mine to the list. What a sad way to destroy what had been a quite remarkable series, and on its way to being a classic until then. The movies are a bit better I understand but i have not had the heart to watch them yet. Lets do a Last Exile thread and marathon group watch thru sometime it might be fun.

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6/30/2012 1:13:06 AM #

feal87

Well, Gainax has always been a "particular" animation studio.

I suggest you to give a look at "Melody of Oblivion" if you want to laugh a bit about how much an anime series can go wrong with symbolisms.


Last Exile marathon? I still have to watch Fam (Last Exile spin-off) before going to watch again the original...

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6/30/2012 6:01:09 AM #

AdamEve

Ys i have to watch Fam also, will try to get to it soon. ok, Melody of OB will be fun to see, i had heard of it but never watched it. Yes it does look like we enjoy a lot of the same things ...

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6/30/2012 9:22:50 AM #

feal87

Same here, I heard positive and negative things about Fam, but want to try by myself.

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9/30/2012 7:48:33 PM #

Tama-chan

Hi :3
Can I post this wallpaper on my blog?
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10/8/2012 8:27:55 AM #

feal87

Please go ahead, they're here to be used. Of course host the file yourself instead of linking directly to my website.

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