Competition, drama and bad seeding. Is this really worth it?

by feal872. May 2012 18:15

Hello,

Today we'll talk about something slightly different from the usual episodic coverage. Yes, I have not been very vocal till this point, but there is some sort of tourney going on between anime blogs in which I am partecipating as well.

The tourney itself is based on a bracket system with direct elimination matches between two different blogs (with one group phase in between). It is, using the words of the organizers, "a way for people to know more blogs to follow/read and a way to get advertising for smaller blogs".

While the tourney in itself is nothing really interesting, the drama that is generating around this little competition is a bit appalling and resembling what happened two years ago when I was still, but a mere reader.

Tantei Opera Milky Holmes

Let's go in order and try to explain my ideas. Why is this tourney "not interesting"? There are multiple faults here, and all of them could have been fixed very easily by the organizers, but for some obscure reason they choose not to.

The first issue I see is the medium (software platform in this case) used to allow the voting. Yes, we're talking about the dreaded polldaddy standard account. This kind of poll account has no access to IP data of the voters, making the whole "let's cheat happily!" approach very feasible by both bloggers or even simple visitors who are cheering for a particular blog.

Let's make it clear now, I can safely say, as a software developer, that it's completely impossible for the organizer to know if a poll is rigged or not, or even WHO is rigging it in the first place. They have no access to enough data to judge and any decision would be based on mere whim.

Tantei Opera Milky Holmes

The second issue is revolving around the very concept of popular vote that is very frail and indicate nearly nothing about the popularity of a particular blog. This is even more true if we consider the low level of total votes in each poll. Why is that?

How difficult it is for a single person to influence the results of a poll with 200-300 votes total? It's extremely easy for them to use a popular twitter account or facebook account (even with NO relation to the actual blog) in order to get additional votes that will make even the more influencial blog succumb to the pressure of unrelated (but completely legal) votes.

What kind of judgement could we do basing on the information that this tourney gives us? Nearly no decision can be made as all the polls are full of votes that simply shouldn't be there. For an example of what I mean try to look back at the match of two years ago between "My sword is unbelievably dull" and "Listless Ink".

Tantei Opera Milky Holmes

The third and last issue is related to the seeding used for this tourney in order to prepare the full brackets. Judging from the organizer's words they set the matches to be fair based on a blog popularity dividing the blogs in "first round blogs", "second round blogs", "third round blogs", etc...

Nice idea, but the hilarious problem with it is that they choose wrongly the pattern to identify which blog belongs to each category. This way we get blogs with a massive following like Metanorn or Whiners.pro ending up butchering little blogs destroying the very meaning of "giving exposure to little blogs". At the same time we get nearly dead blogs (that maybe were famous years ago) in second or even third round.

I decided to partecipate in this tourney regardless of these downfalls because I was expecting to have funny discussions with friends and maybe get a bit of constructive criticism about my blog. Hey, I like talking with other people as you probably already know...:)

Tantei Opera Milky Holmes

Well, let's just say that things never go as expected. The criticism voters (mostly fellow bloggers) raised was mainly related to design choices between different blogs using these as pillars to decide which blog is better. Judging a book by its cover, quite funny isn't it?

We even got some sarcastic posts from Whiners.pro, and I was left in wonder about WHY people were responding to him seriously, someone was even irritated. We all know Dark_Sage is never serious and his way of talking is also his "persona" on the internet.

It's like how I generally try to sign contracts with every bishoujo every single anime season. Even if it may sounds surprising to people who knows me, it's my internet personality, I don't go around poking random girls in real life asking them to become my Mahou Shoujos. 

Tantei Opera Milky Holmes

And you? What do you think about this tourney? Do you have any idea on how to improve it for the future? Who will win this tourney?

See you soon,

feal87

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Comments (115) -

5/2/2012 6:24:13 PM #

Aedes

Truth to be told, I couldn't care less about the tourney. They pulled my blog out of a list, and I merely let it be.

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5/2/2012 6:26:26 PM #

feal87

I knew this from the start. Otherwise I don't see the point of inviting a pure-erogè blog into a anime blog tourney.
The more hilarious thing is that you're doing a lot better than old and resourceful anime blog...you're so awesome don't you agree?

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5/2/2012 6:28:53 PM #

Aedes

The power of the troll! And more NSFW content = better. Yes, I think that's why. Anime blogs have nothing that's NSFW.

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5/2/2012 6:29:24 PM #

feal87

Are you implying you would watch my blog during work and maybe suggest it to your boss?

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5/2/2012 6:30:45 PM #

Aedes

Nah, my boss only likes NSFW stuff. If you put a nukige or hentai post, then yep.

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5/2/2012 6:35:49 PM #

feal87

You are me, make a nukigè review! NOW!

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5/2/2012 6:37:49 PM #

Aedes

放課後☆エロゲー部 or 妹が僕を狙ってる? Or do you prefer something more hardcore?

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5/2/2012 6:38:06 PM #

feal87

Go for it!

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5/2/2012 6:30:41 PM #

marthaurion

I think another problem is the short time scale on this tournament. While it's true that they have a lot of matches and need to get them done, the fact of the matter is that there really is no motivation to look closely at all of the blog competing because 8 new ones pop up the next day. This also ties into something I believe you may have misinterpreted. The problem with review posts about the tourney isn't that people take them seriously. There are too many people who don't care which blog wins in a certain match, so they'll naturally look for anything to help their decision without having to really analyze. So if someone says they like one blog over the other, they don't have to think about it anymore. So it doesn't matter if they take them seriously or not...all that matter is that there is something there to guide their choice. They know that if they vote for this guy, this other guy who took the time to write a comment or a blog post agrees with them, so their choice is easier. Simple as that

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5/2/2012 6:34:02 PM #

Aedes

<<< Then there's the people who voted less than 10 times so far.

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5/2/2012 6:36:42 PM #

feal87

So lazy...

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5/2/2012 6:35:29 PM #

feal87

Short timescale is also a big issue, having only 48 hours exclude a big chunk of readers who have time only in the week-end to actually read and explore blogs. I know a couple of friends with this issue as they have families and other stuff to attend to...


Wonder what is the correct time for each poll. A week?

That's also incredibly true, but I'm not talking much about how Whiners was able to "manipulate" votes, but more on how bloggers raged hardly at reading his "shitty" reviews. I do understand how people can get angry after being offended, but if we're going to rage for each time this happen...well we're going to get acid in the blood...

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5/2/2012 6:39:14 PM #

Aedes

I corrected him on one point - I fap to nukige girls, not anime girls. Otherwise his review is spot on.

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5/2/2012 6:40:12 PM #

feal87

That's to be expected from you, but other people were less fortunate getting stuff like "kill yourself" in the review...

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5/2/2012 6:43:43 PM #

marthaurion

I can't really say what the "right" amount of time is. Too long and the tourney drags on too long to keep interest. But the fact that they choose to keep interest in the tourney over inspiring interest in the participants says a lot about hypocrisy.

They rage because someone insults them and they can't do anything about it. If they ignore it and keep to themselves (like I do), it creates the impression that they can't say anything against it. If they rage at it, then...well, that's obvious why that doesn't help.

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5/2/2012 6:46:44 PM #

feal87

Agreed, I suppose that instead of having 4 matches a day they could go with 8 matches a day and 4 days for all of them. This would give them more time to cool off and get more votes.

If you are going to live on the internet you have two choices. One is living without getting involved (mere reader), the second one is bearing all the insults/rage that will eventually happen.
It's sad to think this way, but I can't see any other choice...

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5/2/2012 6:51:02 PM #

Kyokai

I swear, I didn't bribe the organizers to put Metanorn on round 1! Lol, jokes aside, seeding was never perfect (even in the first tourney), and even perfecting GMT, there are still glitches and silences from organizers that we can do without.

Though, I will keep up with my positive attitude towards it because at least I've found some cool new blogs to add to my reader now.

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5/2/2012 6:55:33 PM #

feal87

Admit it Kyokai! You want blood of poor and small anime bloggers!


yeah, there are many issues and they really never asked for advices from anyone else before the tourney started...

I hope I'm inside this list of cool blogs. As you know, Kyokai's opinion is golden!

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5/2/2012 7:43:51 PM #

Marow

About the third thing (as I replied on Whiners):

The ones seeded higher did well in the previous tourney, I believe, thus the “those that have real readership tended to be seeded higher”.

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5/2/2012 7:58:13 PM #

feal87

Its simply not true that assumption, many blogs died out since the last tourney or have a very small audience now. They should have investigated the actual situation instead of using the old tourney as reference...

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5/2/2012 8:03:38 PM #

Marow

Just curious: Is this something you know, or just guessing...? ^^'

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5/2/2012 8:15:35 PM #

animekritik

I remember when the bracket came out looking through some of the seeds and noticing blogs that hadn't updated in ages.  Don't remember examples right now but..

(of course, since then I bet you some have magically returned to life)

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5/2/2012 8:17:47 PM #

feal87

Don't worry, there are still many half deads. Try http://thenullset.wordpress.com/ , one post per month and nearly 0 commenters.

He is a THIRD ROUND blog!!!

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5/2/2012 8:16:32 PM #

feal87

Its very easy to see even if difficult to actually justify it in mathematical terms, just watch a couple of the round two blogs like the one that were on the run yesterday. (just an example, I don't know much about them nor I'm criticizing them)

Omari's Sister : Alexa - 2.436.991 with NO compete rank.
Experiment in Mangas : Alexa - No Alexa rank or compete rank at all.

They both have few comments and low activity as bloggers. (Actually Omari's sister doesn't even look like a blog) These are round two.

Metanorn : Alexa - 642.000 with 179,359 as compete rank
Whiners : Alexa - 355.437 with 609,873 as compete rank.

Both of them have plenty of readers, commenters and activity. They are round 1...

Alexa and Compete (the second is US only) doesn't give a precise detail of the size of a blog, but do get us to understand the differences between two different blog.

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5/2/2012 8:24:41 PM #

animekritik

Where do you go to check those rankings, feal??

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5/2/2012 8:26:42 PM #

feal87

http://www.alexa.com/
http://compete.com/us/ <--takes account of US visitors only

Remember to take them as grain of salt as they're not very precise for small sites. In my case it was easy to point out the differences because the sites I used as example were at the very bottom of the rankings.

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5/2/2012 8:38:42 PM #

animekritik

Thanks~

I guess according to this I do belong in Round 1, or Round 0 if they had it!!

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5/2/2012 8:40:31 PM #

feal87

Possibly they were very famous two years ago during the last tourney and they used that statistic as good...

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5/2/2012 8:20:08 PM #

animekritik

My proposal: do away with seeds and seeding.  Toss all of the names into a box, pick them out and pair blogs up randomly.  If it's truly random, no one can complain (unless you want to complain to Lady Luck).

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5/2/2012 8:20:47 PM #

feal87

True, that would fix it straight away. It's a random seeding and it all depends on luck, I think its more fair than the actual system...

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5/2/2012 8:22:00 PM #

marthaurion

Then the seniority complains about working so hard just to be placed against a powerful opponent and getting knocked out early while a newbie blog gets another newbie blog and makes it to the second round...possibly even further. It's not like seeds aren't there for a reason. The problem is that the tourney put no effort or research into their seeds.

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5/2/2012 8:24:20 PM #

feal87

Well, if its totally random it can't be helped to be honest. There are many tourneys that do it this way, but its generally not liked by companies as it would lose in popularity on the long run if the big ones are death by the second turn.


Yep, the issue is that and I mean...they had plenty of ways to identify which was bigger and more popular...

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5/2/2012 8:26:53 PM #

Yerocha

I mainly joined this tournament because it looked fun and I thought it would be a good way to spread the word about my website. I didn't expect to go far, and I'm totally prepared for Shinmaru to kick my face in next week, but it has still been interesting. Of course it may not have been the best way to spread word of my site, but I've always had trouble figuring out how to do that.

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5/2/2012 8:29:15 PM #

feal87

Same reasons as me, its a nice way to have some fun, but that's it!

Don't be so negative, maybe you'll manage to go ahead another round. It'll all depends on the voters I suppose, and how many friends you have to call on to vote...


Getting publicity is always difficult for everyone, I can't help you much as I don't think I'm that popular either. If you find a way tell me!

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5/2/2012 8:35:15 PM #

Yerocha

Well there's always a chance I'll end up winning, but it just feels like if I were to lose against someone like him, that would be OK. I just really didn't want to lose in round 1.

YOU, not popular? The guy who has nearly 2,000,000 hits? Most of us aspire to be as popular as someone like you!

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5/2/2012 8:38:04 PM #

feal87

Yep, you're doing a great job on your blog so its a good thing you've bested the first round!

I'm still a young children compared to blogs like Metanorn or RandomC or Seaslugs, etc... but I appreciate that people use me as objective. I always strive to become better...

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5/2/2012 8:27:09 PM #

Miette-chan

Ha, good one, that promoting stuff is nonsense in my opinion. This thing seems like e-penis stroking to me, I have zero love for it, but it's the usual stuff in my opinion.

Mostly for two reasons one as you described, the voting which can so easily be manipulated. I voted for you and if I so desired I could have voted 10 more times. Yay for a fair competition huh? Plus, I noticed that it's hard to make people take action on the internet. If a blog gets 100 views a day, it does not means it gets 100 comments nor will those same 100 go vote. Which makes me think the sample size is too small to determined with a simple poll.

The second is the exclusion of certain types of blogs, as far as I'm concerned editorial blogs, review blogs, photography blogs, manga blogs, cosplay blogs are all anime blogs. Makes me get an elitist vibe, unless you are not part of our club you are not even worth considering, or something.

In the end I just enjoy the drama, quite funny sometimes, I found the whiners.pro posts amusing for example.

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5/2/2012 8:34:31 PM #

feal87

Ahahah e-penis stroking, this wording is marvelous indeed...a lot better than "circlejerking" used commonly...


Yep, that's the main issue, the vote just hasn't any kind of meaning because its so easy to manipulate and being the sample size very small a simple disturbance (many friends on facebook?!) can change the odds of the battle...

No wait, they did include Visual Novel blogs and other kind of blogs. Pretty much they included anyone on Animenano and anyone who asked them to be included.

Ahahah, and we still had small drama...I want MOAR!

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5/2/2012 8:45:24 PM #

Miette-chan

It is the internets after all.

Cosplay and photography blogs were excluded, heck even when those have eloquent writing and what not. Perhaps I'm butt hurt since it have a photography blog but it felt like the organizers saying that photography is not good enough to compete with their fancy writing. I just did not like their very specific denial.

Or I could be less cynical and say that it's probably the difference in paradigm. How do you compare an editorial type blog to pretty pictures, or something along those lines.

In the end since it does not actually create that much exposure for little known blogs I have no desire to participate on any of the future iterations.

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5/2/2012 8:48:30 PM #

feal87



Wait, they inserted a SCANLATION blog that have nothing in common with normal blogs and not photography blogs that are actually entertaining like yours? THat's preposterous...


Yep, unless you go far in the tourney you'll get nothing. I got 400 views from that site at the moment, that is 1/25 of my daily share of views...

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5/4/2012 3:51:41 PM #

Persocom

I agree 150% with Miette here.  That's basically the same way I feel and I really couldn't give a crap about the tourney.

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5/4/2012 4:04:53 PM #

feal87

Ahahah, its nice to see the opinion from the figure blogosphere as well. It seems the consensus is that the tourney isn't that interesting after all...

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5/2/2012 8:41:59 PM #

chikorita157

Given that the first round is over, I can see the tournament as some type of circlejerking and as a way for bloggers to increase their ego, although the creators don't intend it to become this way. You brought up some great points as most people can't judge blogs by its cover. The irony is that some blogs have great content, but lost because of the design.  Seeding is also a problem. Older and more established blogs (also based on activity as in update frequency) should be placed in the second round and not based on previous results of the last tourney. It gives newcomers a better chance in advancing... but aside from that, you brought up great points and the staff should take some consideration to improve.

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5/2/2012 8:45:54 PM #

feal87

First round out and already plenty of drama, wonder if it'll continue this way...


The judging a blog only by the design really annoyed me because it means they didn't even try to read and try to find faults in the real content that should be the main attraction.


Yep, that's what I'm trying to say. Metanorn, Whiners, Lost in America, etc... were not first round blog at all...

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5/2/2012 9:20:32 PM #

Marow

The tournament IS good for promoting blogs, really. At least I, among others, have seen higher traffic stats. And some have even found new blogs to read. I still believe that people who claim the opposite are outsiders or sad because they lost, sadly. It's like when some have been criticized: they go crazy mad for no reason. If anything that's wrong, it's people taking the actual tourney TOO serious.

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5/2/2012 9:22:24 PM #

feal87

I got, as I said before in another comment, 400 views from the aniblog tourney. Is that the popularity a small blog should expect after being butchered at the first turn by Metanorn or Whiners?


I'm actively criticizing it, I'm an insider and I won my match. So what's my position Marow? I think I am pointing to faults everyone can see, I don't want to make pointless flames...


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5/2/2012 9:41:37 PM #

Marow

I got 864 that day and overall, the daily view has been slightly higher than usual. I'd say it's good. I barely got any views from Metanorn though. They were mostly from the tourney and, but not as much, from Whiners. But I don't see why we should get hung up on stats too much. I know I've gained at least one or two commentators from it, which is what I wished for.

You know, it's slightly a flame from your side when you say things you haven't checked yet ;o (the part about seeding).

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5/2/2012 9:43:03 PM #

Marow

Never get my mail right. Now I hope <_<''

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5/2/2012 9:43:40 PM #

feal87

Fixed them for you.

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5/2/2012 9:45:54 PM #

feal87

Well, if they say "it's for giving more popularity to bloggers", of course what matters are the stats. But still you got more views than me, probably its because you were earlier in the tourney than me? The last matches were quite "unpopular" I remember...

Hey, I gave you all data to check now!

But it was clear even without checking appropriate data, few blogs can match Metanorn in size and popularity and most (60%) of the one in round two are smaller.

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5/2/2012 9:51:38 PM #

Marow

Odd that the number of views are so different!

Problem is, how to you judge size? Views? Comments? Age? Writers?

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5/2/2012 9:54:11 PM #

feal87

For seeding I would've choosed Views + Commenters (not comments) + ActivityOfTheBlog (number of posts in a two weeks time). But well, that's my opinion...

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5/2/2012 9:58:09 PM #

Marow

But at the same time, even that's not fair. So I'll just say that they can continue doing what they're doing. I mean, the end result will most likely end up closely the same, except for the ones who lose early.

Though I tend to prefer a "always random" system instead of brackets. But it doesn't really matter.

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5/2/2012 10:01:13 PM #

feal87

yep, except for random blog who gets no time to shine or get known because butchered 300 to 20 against a big one...I think that's a lot less fair.


Total random is fine, but lacks in popularity because it could end up a first round with Kurogane vs Psgels...

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5/2/2012 10:06:08 PM #

Marow

Nah, it's harder to make judgement on loose rules, instead of this with set rules.

To be honest, I would like to include newer blogs as well, but I guess no one wants that.

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5/2/2012 10:09:30 PM #

feal87

Newer blogs as in? Less than 3 months old?! :O

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5/2/2012 10:12:09 PM #

Marow

Yeah, I'd like that. I encounter interesting new blogs every now and then. Three months is pretty old, I'd say. If it only posts once a week, it's a little over 12 posts.

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5/2/2012 10:14:01 PM #

feal87

Well, its their choice after all, can't say much else...

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5/2/2012 10:08:52 PM #

marthaurion

it wasnt anything like that...it was simple. Your match was on Tuesday/Wednesday. Anime Viking was Friday/Saturday. Another problem with the tournament. The day of the week matters...some blogs don't get as much exposure because they're in the middle of the week.

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5/2/2012 10:10:20 PM #

feal87

Ouch true, I didn't consider that, completely forgot. That's true, all my spikes in traffics are friday/saturday/sunday so I suppose its the same for everyone...

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5/2/2012 10:22:11 PM #

Ecchi Catgirl

It's a popularity contest, it was always going to be regardless of saying to give smaller blogs more views. I can see how it would happen short term, but long term I think it's unrealistic.

It's why I didn't bother doing the tournament. I don't need them to give me a ranking when I know all my readers love me.

So if someone I follow comes up in the round, they automatically get my vote. Bias is great. I'll have to think a little more when two blogs I follow clash.

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5/2/2012 10:24:40 PM #

feal87

Yep, only maybe 1-2 additional reader in some particular cases in the long term. Nothing really groundbreaking.

Of course we love you. *__*

Ahahah, that's great indeed, but it'll become hard to choose when both are friends...

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5/3/2012 12:49:43 AM #

SparkNorkx

My blog had to no match against A Product of Wasted Time. xD

It wasn't even fair because I'm fairly new. Rofl...

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5/3/2012 7:18:08 AM #

feal87

Yep, seeding is the issue as I said already, but well you've made a good job regardless.

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5/3/2012 7:32:32 AM #

raisuke16

to tell you honestly, I thought this could be exciting since this is the first time I heard about the tourney...but hell yeah...i agree with all the point you've raised here...

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5/3/2012 7:38:06 AM #

feal87

You'll partecipate in it too in two years time...

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5/3/2012 12:56:24 PM #

raisuke16

i don't know about that...i'd rather watch you guys participate than me actually joining...

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5/3/2012 12:57:53 PM #

feal87

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5/3/2012 2:02:38 PM #

raisuke16

plus i really can't take losing anyway...haha
just kidding dude

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5/3/2012 8:57:03 AM #

Aniplogs

Yoh Feal, you should start organizing an aniblog tourney of your own
you're  a software developer that would be pretty easy to make a framework that counts votes and all the things related to it

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5/3/2012 8:59:49 AM #

feal87

I can do the framework without any problem (shouldn't take more than 2-3 days of work to do something better than crapdaddy standard), but I lack the authority to do such a tourney. I'm not Scamp or any other BIGNAME blogger after all...

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5/3/2012 10:56:30 AM #

Hoshiko


You have no idea what you have, Feal. I believe you can run an online tournament well given the observations and technical skills you have. Use PollFeal instead of PollDaddy. >.<

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5/3/2012 11:31:05 AM #

feal87

Ahahah, thanks for the support. I wonder why they simply didn't ask people to help them in the managing of the tourney...

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5/3/2012 2:59:33 PM #

SparkNorkx

*agrees with the rest* Feal, you should had been running the aniblog tourney from the start instead of them.  D=

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5/3/2012 4:12:18 PM #

feal87

It's flattering, but I wonder if I have the patience to manage everything and keep a tab on each single poll for problems...

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5/5/2012 11:52:35 AM #

Aniplogs

SparkNorkx will help

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5/5/2012 11:53:51 AM #

feal87

We'll use him till the very end. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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5/3/2012 10:57:52 AM #

Hoshiko

I decided to participate because I thought it was fun and I wanted to know what sort of critique I may get. But I think by the time it reaches Yellow Bracket, everyone lost interest, lol.

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5/3/2012 11:30:31 AM #

feal87

Ahahah I felt the same, people were overexcited the first couple of rounds, but then they simply disappeared as soon as we reached the blue bracket...

Hope it won't happen the same in the second round...

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5/3/2012 3:41:47 PM #

Leap250

"butchering little blogs" such a sad fate in this tourney

The site that I co-author in was actually subject to that "this blog looks better so I'll vote for it" line of thinking. Makes me think if post quality is all that important in this aniblog popularity conte- I mean, aniblog tourney, lol ^^

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5/3/2012 4:00:20 PM #

feal87

yes, it is...


[sarcasm]Hey, who cares about what you write. The important thing is that your design is cool...its not like we read the content of the various blogs right?
[/sarcasm]

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5/3/2012 4:17:28 PM #

Leap250

After backreading the comments it looks like there's a general consensus that the bracket seeding sucks. There's even guys like 8thSin tearing away right from the start ^^

And I wanna ask, is it "normal" for polldaddy to not record whether or not you've already voted?

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5/3/2012 4:23:57 PM #

feal87

Yes, the seeding sucks hard. We have hyper popular blogs in first round while nearly dead blogs in second/third round. Makes a lot sense right?


Polldaddy do record if you already voted basing on IP data and cookie data. if you change IP (TOR/Proxies/multiple homes/phones/etc...) and reset browser cache it counts like a new device and then a new vote.

The standard version (the free one) does not have functionalities to see the IP doing the voting and by this allows anyone to do whatever they feel like.

The paid version (200$ a year) has these functionalities.

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5/3/2012 4:32:55 PM #

Leap250

Yeah, from what I know they get all their links from animenano, and I don't think nano cleans up their dead archived blogs ^^

Ah, I figured as much. You'd think with such a grand tourney it'd be hard to break the system.

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5/3/2012 4:34:44 PM #

feal87

They used as a method to identify alive blog by checking if they've made at least a post in january, february and march. But still why putting half-dead (one post per month) blog as second round?!

Very easy and that's really sad...

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5/3/2012 4:42:11 PM #

Leap250

Respect? ^^ lol, but seriously I think that's a bad move on the tourney's part. If one of their intentions was to promote exposure to less popular blogs, why not give them the priority. These big names already had their time in the spotlight anyways

Another consensus that I'm seeing here is the potential creation of FealDaddy (sounds dirty for some reason) Sounds like a grand idea

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5/3/2012 4:44:41 PM #

feal87

Yep, that should be the way. First round composed by small blogs only, then second round more popular and so on...

Ahahah, FealDaddy sounds dirty indeed. But I'm not that evil, I love my shoujos. *_*

I'll give it a think if the need will arise. Is not that complex to create as a system...

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5/3/2012 5:01:20 PM #

SparkNorkx

EmptyDaddy should be it then! *_*

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5/3/2012 5:18:59 PM #

feal87

No, but seriously, most likely there are thousands of better poll systems for wordpress even without me creating one. Why using PollDaddy is a mystery to me...

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5/3/2012 5:31:28 PM #

SparkNorkx

PollDaddy is not the daddy of all polls... Maybe that's why it's mysterious.

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5/3/2012 7:43:29 PM #

Baka-Raptor

Comment 87! Get it?

I consider the number of "friend" votes to be the "margin of error" of the poll. Most bloggers don't have enough readers to overcome the margin of error. Thus, most of the outcomes can't be taken seriously.

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5/3/2012 7:49:45 PM #

feal87

87 like the "number of years between the signing of the U.S. Declaration of Independence and the Battle of Gettysburg"?


Your logic is, as always, flawless. Yes, We can't take seriously the results of the matches unless we're talking about big names blogs like you, Kurogane, Psgels, RandomC, etc...

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5/3/2012 10:11:45 PM #

BeldenOtaku

You don't? Huh...and here I thought you were amassing an army of mahou shoujos, reaping the rewards of hundreds upon thousands of contracts... :3

So, what? Do we just ignore the results of Aniblog Tourney? Or deem the "winner" as the one who could gather the most anonymous votes?

And I agree with your thoughts on judging "a book by its cover" and a blog by its layout. Sure, if a new visitor can't figure out what's going on, you have a horrible layout and your content won't be read (do your writing a favor and make it easily reachable), but criticizing blogs (particularly Wordpress blogs) for using a particular layout? That's asinine and completely off-base to the point of the tourney.

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5/3/2012 10:14:30 PM #

feal87

I am amassing an army of mahou shoujos, but the purpose is not to win the Aniblog tourney, but to save the universe! *_*

The winner will anyway be one of the big 6 anime blog out there, so not much to discuss about it...


Yep, that's wrong. A blog (as long as it doesn't have a completely unreadable layout) must be judged for its content first and foremost, the rest is secondary. Especially for Wordpress blogs who are constraint by their host...

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5/3/2012 10:40:59 PM #

BeldenOtaku

Exactly, so long as the content is readable (by that, I mean things such as good contrast between text and background) and it's "findable" (no overly complicated homepages or tab systems requiring a full site map to find what you're looking for), writing should be the only thing evaluated in each match.

If it's just gonna be one of the big 6 blogs (or one of the blogs seeded higher up) then I see no point in voting. So I won't :3 to be honest, I really don't care anymore. The only opinions I ever see commented are "You're layout isn't good" or "I've been reading XXXX for years now, of course I vote, abstain the rest" (with a few legit reviews and helpful advice that I've taken into consideration; such as better writing quality, a few layout details, and other minor things)

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5/3/2012 10:43:13 PM #

feal87

Yes, sometimes layouts can be messy to search and makes hard for me to find any blog. That's bad!


Wait, vote for me! You're not going to leave me alone right?


Seriously talking, yes I think one of the 6 bigger blogs are going to win here. The others simply doesn't stand a chance with their readership.

Yes, the criticism wasn't really what I expected either, but well we can't blame them either. They're not doing it for work...

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5/3/2012 11:24:55 PM #

BeldenOtaku

I'll keep an eye out (if I notice, then I'll certainly vote for you :3)

Guess it can't be helped...

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5/3/2012 11:26:18 PM #

feal87

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5/3/2012 11:29:46 PM #

BeldenOtaku

:3

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5/4/2012 8:24:28 AM #

foomafoo

I don't care on who gets to win or how my/our/their blogs would be butchered by D_S/or whoever's opinion. I am more willing to listen to anyone who'll give their 2cents on how one can improve their blog/content/layout/writing. And possibly, discovering new pals and readers that would stick with you.

At least people knows now how this tourney /really/ works. It serves as an example of how future tourneys (if it would still happen or if a new circlejerk springs up from somewhere) could be improved.

But seriously, the voters themselves are the plot hole in these kind of situations. We are the ones who vote. We are the ones who create the drama. The organizer might be responsible for some things but in the end, Scamp et.al are just the initiators. We do the bigger chunk of deciding who gets to advance, even if the seeding itself is biased. If we, the voters, continue voting simple based on popularity, sense of reciprocity, out of pity, because he/she is the underdog or because the layout seems pretty, then the fault lies on us.

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5/4/2012 8:43:36 AM #

feal87

Same for me, but I really hate when people puts out lies like "this is not a popularity contest, but a way for people to know and valorize small blogs" and "the seeding was done based on real readership". Are you joking with me?
The seeding was completely based on the old tourney results, fact that have nearly no influence on the real actual popularity of a blog.


That depend if the organizer has any will to listen to criticism, but from what it seems they don't...

Wrong, the real voters are nearly nothing in this whole tourney. As Baka-Raptor implied just some comments on the top, the "friends" are in most cases more than the readers/voters making the whole voting just a mostly useless procedure.
Unless you really think Behind the Nihon Review / Wanabrar are the most popular blog featured in the tourney till now...

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5/4/2012 11:11:42 PM #

foomafoo

Actually the comment that was ate hours ago supposedly went this way:

And if I might add, pulling in votes just for the sake of votes without actually considering who should win in terms of the content.

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5/4/2012 11:14:30 PM #

feal87

My blog is hungry! He wants comments to eat!


True, its a stupid thing imho, because it goes against the very basic reason of this contest.

feal87 | | Reply

5/4/2012 4:50:45 PM #

Canne

I generally agree with all the pitfalls you raised, Feal. And there were many times when I started to think that the whole thing might cause more damage than good. But then again, the bad things are always more easy to be noticed.

It is important to stay focus on the goal (for me, it to get new readers and strengthen friendships) lest I get swayed by all the drama and illusive numbers.

Canne | 5 Comments | Reply

5/4/2012 4:53:04 PM #

feal87

I don't see this tourney to be completely negative, but it's weird how its badly managed by the organizers till this point. Just a streak series of bad choices...

I agree with you even I didn't find any new blog to follow till this point though (knew most of them already)...

feal87 | | Reply

5/5/2012 5:24:03 PM #

Fabrice

The whole system needs reviewing like the foundings you gave, Its pretty much questionable. Im especially annoyed at the seeding which are in some way completely unfair and unjust.

While Ive never participated in it nor I think I will ever, I actually wouldnt be that happy if I was in it, because in the end of the day, It seems to be all about popularity more so than friendship making which that I am all for. People get to entangled into this whole tourney concept that they lose focus on their blogging and hence get distracted and try too hard to get votes instead of just blogging normally. Thats my opinion.

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5/5/2012 5:27:01 PM #

feal87

I talked with one of the organizers on their blog and they seems open to change the way seeds are made and what software is being used in the polls. Hopefully they'll follow my advices for the next one...


Well, it depends on the blogger. Me, for example, have done nearly nothing to prepare for this tourney apart from a simple widget remembering people that i'm partecipating in a match. ;)

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5/5/2012 5:33:32 PM #

Fabrice

Ah the way I say it makes it generalised. I meant some bloggers.

You are a great example of doing the right thing and that is just to blog normally, well and efficient!

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5/5/2012 5:55:33 PM #

feal87

Thanks.

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5/5/2012 5:26:50 PM #

Rensie

I'm wondering when fansub groups complete Milky Holmes Season II, it was stopped at episode 6 for ages. >_<

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5/5/2012 5:55:15 PM #

feal87

*shrug* I watched it raw, but judging from the low popularity of this show it'll be difficult for any sub to come out soon...

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5/6/2012 10:27:58 PM #

Nopy

I didn't participate or follow the first tourney so I don't know how things went down in each match, but I'm going to assume that this second one will have the same results.

I was going to abstain from the tourney when I got the invite email, but then decided not to since it would drive some traffic to my blog. I'm currently in my first match, but I'm not seeing much traffic increase. The last 2 days aren't much better than when I publish a new article, so I'm thinking that maybe I should've abstained since it's not worth the drama it brings.

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5/6/2012 10:41:27 PM #

feal87

Drama, drama, drama! That's the summary of the first tourney.


You won't get much improvement if you're big enough already. I got like 400-500 views till now from the tourney and I partecipated since the first round so well...

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5/7/2012 4:01:49 AM #

lostty

Thank you for making a post like this. I was hesitant to join the aniblog tourney at all this year. I got caught up in some drama last time, and I just wasn't in the mood to go through any of that again. Luckily (so far) I seem to have avoided it.

In all honesty, the tourney is mostly a pointless thing. There are certain things I agree with, like giving exposure to blogs that otherwise wouldn't have it and some kind constructive feedback, but otherwise? At the end of the day it's simply going to narrow down to Star Crossed and whatever other ultra famous blog, and the expected will happen and then we'll forget all about it for another two years. Though, I guess the form of making it into a a tournament is simply to get people interested. Maybe a different way to expose blogs would be better, but it's not like I have a better idea...

As you mentioned, the placement of blogs in the tournament also causes problems. When a blog that is just starting out gets pinned against a really strong opponent, I'm sure it doesn't feel all that encouraging when they lose big time. Whether you're able to tell yourself that's its not a big deal or not, it still hurts a bit. It also doesn't help that on top of defeat people get a sarcastic beat down saying that there blog is terrible on top of it all.

So is it worth it? Not really. The ideas behind the tourney are good, but the way we've been seeing things play out obviously show that there are a lot of problems with having blogs battle each other. A different way of having our blogs exposed is definitely needed.

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5/7/2012 7:32:59 AM #

feal87

I was there as a reader two years ago, but I think I missed the drama revolving around you, but I do understand your reluctance to get yourself again in a similar situation.

Yes, the point of giving exposure to small blogs can be done in different ways, but doing a "tourney" is the only sure way I know to attract viewers. Because let's be honest, if you watch the current matches you'll notice how few people are actually voting in them.
The second round looks more hollow than the first...


Exactly, the only result you can get from getting steamrolled by a strong website is discouragement and disillusion. It's better for the first round to consist of only new blogs in order to give them more exposure and a fair fight.

I wonder if someone with a good idea will ever appear in this anime blogosphere...

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