Combining Internet, Anime and Rankings - What a bad mix!

by feal8731. December 2011 17:01

Hello,

As you know in these recent days we got plenty of game sales into Steam and similar digital delivery services. Generally in order to understand more of the game's I'm going to buy I give a quick look at the Metacritic score for both critics and users.

This is when I noticed a strange pattern with people giving tons of "0" or "10" to many games, leaving me a bit puzzled to the point that I decided to search on the net for similar services for anime (like Anidb or MAL or even Baka-Updates for manga and Vndb for Visual Novels) in order to understand if this is a common trend or not.

The experience was a painful one having to go through thousands of entries, but one thing is definitely clear here. Most people on the internet can't give proper judgement over a particular anime/manga series!

Angel Beats

Wait, are you asking me why I'm so drastic? Let's try to give a look at one of these entries and understand the logic behind these votes before coming to a conclusion.

Let's give a look at Sankarea's manga page on Baka-Updates. Sankarea (that is going to get an anime adaptation soon) is, as you know, a rather popular clichè romance manga series with a zombie twist in it.

I immediately notice the average ranking to be 8.7 at the time of writing of this blog post, something a bit higher than my thought of the series, but still within the limits of reasons. The problem start as soon as you start watching in detail to the votes given by the various readers.

We have 250 votes as 10/10 and well 5 votes as 1/10 and while I can agree there may be different tastes around the world something is definitely out-of-place here.

Angel Beats

What is 1/10 in a ranking? For me 1/10 must be totally worthless piece of content devoid of any interest, with crappy art, crappy characters and many others faults to the point of making it unreadable.

To now, no anime or manga series got an 1 from me, simply because there isn't a single production without a single positive side to it. Even if the whole outlook is bleak, I never really gave less than a 4/10 to a particular anime or manga series till now.

I tried to understand the reasoning of these people ranking a particular anime or manga series to the bare minimum and I got some answer in some particular comment on another series. They are making this decision because "there are too many unnecessary 10 so I need to take down the average"!

Angel Beats

Am I the only one thinking that this is a very childish and at the same time useless thing. Yes, useless because any random surfer (like me) who is just searching for opinions on a particular anime/manga/visual novel series just get disoriented and avoid taking seriously these votes?!

Unfortunately this kind of behaviour is true for the opposite as well, there are user rankings filled with 10/10 everywhere on every kind of series. The ironical thing is that most of the times, the same people are voting 10/10 on most of these series.

10/10 that should mean "perfection" so there are two possible situation to consider. The first is that perfection in anime/manga/visual novels series is so common that pretty much hundreds of series reached it already or second, they are just spewing random garbage in these rankings!

Angel Beats

When I rank a series, I am extremely careful to take into account all the various sides of a particular production without focusing too much on a particular one in order to give a subjective, but meaningful vote.

Kanokon (the series I ranked the lowest of the ones covered in this blog) has an awful story indeed, but the animation was quite good and had some nice voice-over as well. I ranked that as 6.3/10 in my rankings!

Unfortunately it seems that people around the net (including bloggers sometimes) prefer to just create fan-clubs to bash or praise to the utmost particular series without really giving a careful thought about what they're watching.

Angel Beats

And you? What do you think about anime/manga/visual novels rankings on the internet? How do you actually rank a particular series?

See you soon,

feal87

Comments (70) -

12/31/2011 5:45:06 PM #

EroJun

This kind of user behavior is unavoidable, as I said before there are the people who are "analytical" in this regard or "think with their p0n0s only". There's also the matter of preference and bias that will always persist regardless of being analytical or not. Then there's also the "different standards" thing which affects the way people rate anime greatly. A person who is new to anime and thinks of it as an enjoyable media would more likely rate an anime higher than those who have already been into it for years.

These days I rarely look at the rankings myself, I just pick whatever interests me and give it a shot.

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12/31/2011 5:48:56 PM #

feal87

It just means that users are the problem here, the preference can come in and be a factor as all rankings are subjective, but one thing is being subjective. Another is putting 0/10 to everything or 10/10 to everything everywhere like I saw on many ranking websites.
It's like they don't even think about it, but just randomly put numbers there...


That's what I'll do with games as well it seems as there aren't many other ways.

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12/31/2011 5:47:26 PM #

Leap250

I'm not too strict with my rankings (mostly within the range of 6-9) since I only really score a series based on if I enjoyed it or not. I mean, why continue watching a series, then give it a whack score. Of course some people drop a show, then rate it, but that doesn't do the show justice as well.  

Another thing would be like you said, the questionable 10/10's. I consider a lot of things before giving something a 10, but when you search some of the shows that have that score, its usually the ones with a large fanbase, with intensely loyal fans. Story and all other things come second.

So yeah, internet rankings really doesn't give a show/VN/manga its due credit.

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12/31/2011 5:52:17 PM #

feal87

I rarely drop something, but even if I do I try to understand what was wrong with it and give a proper evaluation of the series. It's so annoying when they start just randomly bashing with 0/10 or stuff similar without even trying to understand the qualities of the production.

Yeah, for example for VNs on vndb you see Tsukihime, Fate Stay Night or Narcissu at the very top of everything with votes out of range. Something like 9.5 or 9.8 in pretty much all cases. I agree that they were good novels, but it does looks weird on my eyes...


Yep, that's what I'm starting to think as well...

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12/31/2011 6:02:19 PM #

Leap250

In my case, if I happen to drop something I'd avoid scoring it. Luckily I've never seen a 0/10 >.<

Well, I too like Nasu's works, and even beyond the VN's, but I agree, it's not totally a god-tier VN, I mean, the H-scenes kills it sometimes. Ever17 also has a weird score tier if I remember correctly, but I'd have to agree that it was a good VN.

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12/31/2011 6:05:06 PM #

feal87

That's remarkable as I've saw a 0/10 multiple times on random anime blog around the net...


The H-scene were hilarious man, something out of the world. That's definitely something he wasn't able to write properly...


Ever17 was a good VN, worth a 8, but not more. I wonder if people put in "nostalgia" in the rankings as well...

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12/31/2011 6:13:40 PM #

Leap250

Lowest I've seen is a 1/10, and the reasons aren't really that justifiable, and is just based on personal bias.

"It feels so good I wanna vommit" Yep, Nasu definitely kills it.

I guess some would consider nostalgia, the same way they'd consider replay value, but I've only played a handful of VN's so I can't discern other factors for rating VN's aside from story, dialogue, art, and music.

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12/31/2011 6:18:53 PM #

feal87

Oh well, 1/10 or 0/10 is pretty much the same in my eyes. Just personal bias all the way.


Ahahah, that and many other. It was more funny than interesting to read those scenes...


Replay value in a VN is pretty difficult to achieve imho, I mean its like a book. Even if you want to read it again, knowing the whole story already kill it a bit...

I don't know how to explain. But you know that "now happen this" feeling that kill off all the twist power?

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12/31/2011 6:27:25 PM #

Leap250

I see. Kinda like knowing every possible surprise waiting for you. So basically replay value only pays off for branching arcs, and skipping through scenes definitely messes the mood. I think Ever17 was the one I replayed the most, 7 times I believe, for that "true" end. Very tedious at times.

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12/31/2011 6:29:35 PM #

feal87

Yeah, the "true" end that was definitely a mind-fucking one. I didn't expect THAT kind of ending to be honest...


I loved the brother/sister relationship in Ever17 as well, they were so cute together running away...*__*

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12/31/2011 6:40:04 PM #

Leap250

Yeah, it was worth the six playthroughs for that revelation, lol. I liked Mayo and Tsugumi the most :3  

I should really get on playing Remember11 as well, lol, I've got a lot of VN's on my back log >.<

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12/31/2011 6:41:37 PM #

feal87

Oh yeah, definitely worth all the time spent on it. I love happy ends!


Don't talk me about that. I have over 60-70 series to play...need days of 48 hours. Can you give me?

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12/31/2011 6:48:43 PM #

Leap250

So many titles, so little time to spare. These are the times I wish I could understand moonrunes, so I wouldn't have to wait for translation patches. After a very long wait, Umineko's core arcs were translated. Can't wait to get those too >.<

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12/31/2011 6:54:28 PM #

feal87

Trust me its not a good thing to know the moonrunes. I do, and the only end result is having tons more of games to play without possibility to even fathom when I'll end to play all of them...


It's an hard life really, being a player...

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12/31/2011 7:02:54 PM #

Leap250

B-but..all those JRPG's I'll never get to play >.<

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12/31/2011 7:03:39 PM #

feal87

Yep, exactly! We'll never play them all, its basically impossible due to time constraints!

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12/31/2011 6:05:11 PM #

beldenotaku

It's this very reason that I've gone so long without actually ranking anything. Too many times I see a *** out of 10 and it's a totally random b.s. number based on the instant judgement of someone who (in my opinion) has never had a fully formed thought in their life(it angers me that much).
I've instead used recommendations based on tastes rather than what I consider to be a universal number system. Suggested tastes that would be interested in the series, over a ranking compared to vastly different anime. I agree, too many times it's just some childish reaction to high or low scores that makes a voter just choose the opposite extreme to "balance it out".

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12/31/2011 6:07:48 PM #

feal87

Ahahah, I thought as well the same of these guys so I can understand and relate with your feelings. It's hard to rank a series properly, but they seems to be able to spew numbers very easily...


Yep, recommendations do work and are a good way to let people know what they're watching and what to expect. Especially if we consider that tastes are deeply different between people!

It's terribly childish and I wonder if any of these people is over 10 year old in mental age...

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12/31/2011 8:19:11 PM #

beldenotaku

Probably not...
It's important to remember different people appreciate different things. Some people, like me, can appreciate  a wide range of series and genres. While some are more centric to a specific. Nothing is wrong with either, but someone speaking on a series should keep in mind that, while a good show, it may not appeal to certain demos simply because of their tastes.

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12/31/2011 8:21:55 PM #

feal87

Definitely agree with this, it's like telling me that a particular BL series is good and to watch it. I may agree, but in the end its a genre I loathe. It's difficult for me to actually like it...

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12/31/2011 8:26:50 PM #

beldenotaku

Same here, I don't care how (supposedly) deep the plot is, I don't want to watch pr0n. So series like Yosuga no Sora are out.  And then it's annoying when people want to criticize you for having "bad" tastes. When really it's just differing preferences.  

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12/31/2011 8:31:20 PM #

feal87

I watched Yosuga no Sora, but the anime was so depressingly focused on Pr0n that it was unwatchable. The VN was already a bit better because it leaved much more time for their relationship to grow up.

Yep, it's just about tastes, as always...

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12/31/2011 6:19:33 PM #

Wieselhead

Yeah internet ratings are horrible and sometimes make me angry.
There are also these votings for figures on mfc and sometimes it is quite unfair to see some trolls rating a good figure down, just because some rated it high XD
Fortunately in most cases the ratings are still ok.

How I rate? Well, a very good anime like Madoka got an 8 rating from me for example, the 2 remaining points are bonus points for subjective criteria.
If a show is good and meets my taste closely, or left a big impression on me I might give it a 10. I rarely give a rating lower than 5 for anime, only when I really disliked it ^^

Madoka just happened to be too depressing for me to deserve a 10 rating from me.

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12/31/2011 6:24:11 PM #

feal87

Yep, they look totally random and a potential buyer or viewer just don't know wtf to think about a particular series. It's so sad...isn't it?


That's quite a nice way to rank, so basically you divide your vote in objective stuff (visuals, plot continuity, audio, etc..) and leave alone some additional part of the vote to give your personal impressions. I need to devise something similar as well!


Agreed, its not the first in my rankings either, its near the top, but not the best.

Can you mention any series you rated 10/10 till now?

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12/31/2011 6:40:35 PM #

Wieselhead

Yeah I try to be objective for the main construction of the show, but the subjective stuff decides about the final rating.

Oh 10 point anime, hehe but don't laugh XD
amongst others, I gave this to Aria the Origination, Bakemonogatari and my alltime favorite Eureka Seven.

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12/31/2011 6:43:08 PM #

feal87

I actually almost agree with it. Aria was a 9.1 while Bakemonogatari a 9.2 for me!


Didn't like Eureka Seven that much, its more on the 8.2/8.5...

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12/31/2011 6:31:39 PM #

Kai

Lol I actually judge my anime properly, giving them rankings only after further consideration
If you checked my MAL or VNDB, there are definitely NO less then 5 entries I gave a perfection 10/10 O.O I count myself as more of the stricter ranker ;p

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12/31/2011 6:35:56 PM #

feal87

Oh, so basically you take time to think about the rankings. Do you actually have some kind of routine or usual behaviour in deciding how to rank a particular series?

I have to give a look at your account, to see your tastes as well...

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1/1/2012 5:55:48 PM #

Kai

I just think and compare the anime to others and put my ranking there I guess ;p

Yea go ahead ;p The links for both MAL and VNDB are at my blog

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1/1/2012 5:57:25 PM #

feal87

Well, pretty normal I see...


I'm going to explore your secrets! MAL and VNDB here I come! *___*

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12/31/2011 6:58:32 PM #

Rei

It's horrible when you mentioned that. Yeah the rating is not accurate at all I know. That is why I also rely on reviews whenever I have an interest in a particular anime. There is also this anime compatibility feature on MAL when you visited someone else profile which you can compare their anime's and yours to find some new anime to watch


I rate the anime just like how I do my reviews. Base on art, characters, audio, plot and others. I've never given a rating lower than 6. It appreciate the effort that each studio did. It is not easy to animate stuff. It's really difficult. I've never actually hated an anime series before to give any anime a rating lower than 6. Some of the anime series/movie that i've rated 10/10 would be Clannad After Story, Steins;Gate, Summer Wars and 5 Centimeter Per Second. There are probably a few more but I can't remember.

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12/31/2011 7:02:58 PM #

feal87

Yeah, its one of the bad points of the internet, but there's no reason to hide them as they are a part of it...


Anime compatibility feature, I have to give it a look! Sounds something interesting after all...:O

Oh well, pretty much same as me! In this blog I never rated something under 6, but just because I haven't really reviewed some series I really hated from the bottom of the heart (4-5 as ranking in my personal list).

Well, they are all great productions that may well get a 10/10 indeed! I never gave a full 10/10 till now though. Maximum was Kara no Kyoukai with 9.3/9.4.

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12/31/2011 7:12:19 PM #

Rei

Yeah the anime compatibility is one of the interesting new features there. See someone else profile and see the percentage and you will know if that person has the same taste in anime as you do. It it gets 70%, that is quite high. I would probably give that guy anime list a look to see some of his other anime, that I haven't watch yet.

Yeah I saw your list and none of it reaches 10

I just like that anime soo much, that is why i give them a 10/10 rating. Some not all. Average would be 7.5 or 8.

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12/31/2011 7:15:05 PM #

feal87

I need to register to MAL sooner or later and fill in my endless list of watched anime. It's going to be a loooooooooong job, but a needed one if I have to use this feature...


Agreed! I need to refactor my list sooner or later with more detailed scores and maybe give some 10 from time to time...

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12/31/2011 7:20:44 PM #

Rei

Haha, I did mine. It took a long time btw xD
I'm pretty sure my list isn't completed yet. I might forgot some of the anime that i've watch when I was a kid >_<

Should give some anime a 10. The one that you really enjoyed the most. The one that makes you like.. OMG! IT'S OVER 9000!!

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12/31/2011 7:22:51 PM #

feal87

Well, yes. I have too many series to go and write, fortunately I have a personal management system so I shouldn't lose anything...


It's either Steins Gate or Kara no Kyoukai at this point, maybe more thinking of the latter to be honest...

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12/31/2011 7:19:15 PM #

Yerocha

For me a 0/10 would have to be something I'm completely incapable of watching, which would usually mean I couldn't watch enough of it to be able to give it a score, which is kind of self defeating.

Personally though, I tend to give scores based on my own experiences rather than the general quality. If something is so unbelievably stupid that I can't continue on, I'm not gonna go back to check out the music before deciding my final opinion.

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12/31/2011 7:21:41 PM #

feal87

Ahahah, that's definitely a paradox, but yes 0/10 is impossible in a real world situation.


Even if focusing on your experience would you give a 2/10 or 1/10 to a series you hate the storyline of without caring about all the rest of the content? :O

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12/31/2011 7:28:33 PM #

Yerocha

Well the thing is that my scores are used on MAL, not my actual reviews. The lowest score I ever gave a series was a 3/10, and that was a 10-page Monster Hunter oneshot with no real quality to it.

In an ACTUAL review, those little things could matter to the people you're discussing the series to, and this is part of why I don't review things I hate.

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12/31/2011 7:30:44 PM #

feal87

3/10 is a reasonable score for a 10 page Monster Hunter oneshot indeed...


It's something I avoid as well as you can see. It's difficult to be as objective as possible if you hate a series.

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12/31/2011 9:07:53 PM #

Marcomax

My favorite rating system is the 4 star system used by a video reviewer called JesuOtaku. Basically it goes up in half intervals starting at 1 up to 4 stars. The reason I'm draw to this system is because of the clear distinction made between crap (1), alright (1 1/2-2), good (2 1/2 -3) and amazing (3 1/2 - 4). The scale is condensed and the rating seems to fit the full review.

Aside from that Stars > Points

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12/31/2011 9:12:44 PM #

feal87

Oh, its nice to get some opinions from a anime viewer as well. I have to give a look at some of his reviews as soon as possible.
The system looks good and well condensed, but I have to see exactly HOW he decides what is good and what not. If he follows some kind of pattern or follows more his impression or whatever, its an interesting thing to analyze!

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1/1/2012 12:45:13 AM #

marthaurion

I think that when I rate shows, I assume first off that all anime is good, and that good things can be said about any show. For that reason, my ratings don't normally drop below 5. I hate to see people who devote whole blog posts raging at how a show is so horrible that it should go kill itself. Even Itsuten, which quite frankly made me want to kill myself, would not get a 1/10 from me. Maybe I'm too nice, maybe I'm too soft. That's just the way I like to do things. Or maybe I just can't see the tiny things that others can. Does that make me a bad critic? I wouldn't think so...some would pick at the tiny things, but I'm trying to look at everything as a whole. It's just like trashing a sub group for a few spelling errors. I'd trash sub group for some bigger reason, like copying the subs from a simulcast.

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1/1/2012 12:49:50 AM #

feal87

Agreed, I don't really like bloggers devoted to bash and rage every second about the series they're watching. If it's THAT painful just stop watching already...


Itsuka Tenma No Kuro Usagi wasn't THAT bad! Come on, just for the presence of Jun "lecherous boy" Fukuyama in an evil role it needs to get a 6!


1/10 is just impossible to do if you're properly rating a series imho, so you're not a bad critic, you're just a normal critic.


Well, yes. Don't watch subs so I can't really judge on this last one...

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1/1/2012 12:53:58 AM #

marthaurion

I dunno...I think that with some shows, despite how painful it was, I still kept watching until the end. There aren't many shows that I just flat out drop (like R-15).

Itsuten was pretty cliche in the romance section, which kinda bugged me. And it seemed to be paced a bit too fast.

I'm normal!! Everyone screenshot this >.>

It's not a matter of watching subs or not, just common sense. If a group just copies subs from a simulcast, then they're less likely to make spelling errors than a group that gets their subs from a translator. Editors have it rough >.>

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1/1/2012 1:05:33 AM #

feal87

R-15!!! I haven't even tried to watch it. How was it?


True, but I liked it enough to buy the manga to learn how the story continue so well. it was a success for the producer...

Ahahah, ok let me correct "you're almost normal".


It's hard even for timers like you right?!

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1/1/2012 1:09:57 AM #

marthaurion

I felt like they overdid the pr0n thing in R-15 to the point where they were trying too hard to be funny. So I only watched the first episode >.>

Nope, too late...you've already called me normal. No takebacks

Nah...the timer's job is easy. Just no one wants to do it. When they make me do timing and editing, it gets a bit messy >.> So many grammatical errors...

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1/1/2012 1:13:45 AM #

feal87

Oh, I may actually give it a shot in the future just for the hell of it.


...now you'll live with this misunderstanding...


Well, living in the USA you're one of the best possible choice to edit an english text after all...

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1/1/2012 1:16:15 AM #

marthaurion

>.> meh...suit yourself. I'm not touching that. Don't even understand how ppl like it.

yeah yeah...I know I'm good at it, but it's still painful >.> I'd rather just time things. So much simpler. And normal ppl don't usually notice mistakes in timing unless they're glaring

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1/1/2012 1:17:40 AM #

feal87

I don't know if people really like it if it was as bad as you said...


Basically you're trying to convey to us that you're a slacker! Interesting concept, I too thing that Lelouch Lamperouge was a great slacker...

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1/1/2012 1:20:15 AM #

marthaurion

If you say so >.>

I'm not a slacker! I just have too much stuff to do with my world domination in progress and everything.

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1/1/2012 1:21:31 AM #

feal87

Yeah Yeah, the "Zero Requiem" project right?!
Just go ahead and get killed as soon as possible ok?!

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1/1/2012 1:48:34 AM #

Dusk252

I consider myself a pretty high-rating, having given eight 10s in 179 anime titles watched. Still, there are people who just give out 10s like it meant nothing, which I find unreasonable but understandable, since I also sometimes feel that I really loved something, and despite being able to objectively point flaws on it, it's hard to down-rate it for that.

What I fail to understand is that other group of people you mentioned: those who give the lowest ratings possible just to bring down the average of something that has an average rating higher than they feel it deserves. An average rating is supposed to be an indicator to others regarding how the majority of people feel towards a particular show, and you can't change the opinion of others, so why twist your own just to make what should be a pondered informative statistic into an unrealistic parameter? It's simply foolish, not to mention childish. Those people regard their own judgment and opinion higher than they should.

An example would be a guy in the My Anime List forums, on a Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica thread, (whom I'd really like to quote but sadly can't find the post in the 43 pages of the Episode 12 thread) who said something along the lines of: "Nowadays we mostly see shit, so people seem to regard anything with a good, coherent plot as a masterpiece. Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica is a good series but it should not be considered a masterpiece." Then I checked his list. ...and he had rated it a 1/10. Now, does that make any sense? People always seem to bash others for going with the hype, but I find the hype backlash a much more common and annoying phenomenon.

I agree that to rate something a 1/10 should be virtually impossible, since it's really hard to find something with absolutely 0 redeeming qualities, but the main problem is not that people find the show they're rating 1 that dreadful, but that they rate it that way for their own selfish reasons, rather than from an (at least somewhat) objective point of view.

My lowest rated show is To-Love Ru, which I rated a 3/10 because I hated the characters, it had no story, the fanservice was the main focus and the reason of being of every single event in the series, the voice acting was annoying, I didn't like the OP and ED nor the character designs. Still, I rated it a 3/10 because even I could find one or two scenes funny, so I had to give it due merit for it.

Ratings are obviously subjective, but I think there always must be a degree of objectivity, since it's mainly a way of sorting out and comparing what you watched and it's highly improbable that someone regards all they've watched the same way (like people who only give 9s and 10s), and unreasonable to disregard your own opinion just to contradict that of the masses. It also annoys the hell out of me to notice how those two ways of rating are highly common in most sites with this types of entertainment, since I am one who looks for ratings as a guide for what I should or shouldn't pick up next.

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1/1/2012 10:16:02 AM #

feal87

It's hard indeed, but its at the same time useless to try and hype a certain series with flaws as a perfect series to other people.  Rankings are meant to give your opinion of the series as a whole, the more precise they are, the more USEFUL they are!

It's an incredibly childish thing to do, but unfortunately extremely common in both the anime world and the gaming world. I don't know what these guys think though, it just sound unreasonable to me...


Ouch, that's one of the mastermind of these acts indeed. It's definitely a troll like the one I mentioned trying to take the average down because they think it as unfair...
Madoka Magica is, I agree, a good series, but not a masterpiece (it's 9th with 8.6 in my rankings of the series I covered in this blog). This however, doesn't allow him to put 1 without reason just to bash it...


Totally agree with your point of view, its generally (with some rare exception) selfish reason that takes people to rate 1 any kind of product.

In my case To Love Ru is quite high in the rankings with position 72th and 7.8, but if you go and see the rating in detail :

http://www.emptyblue.it/PostRankings.aspx?page=3

Visual Points : 850  
Audio Points : 800  
Story Points : 660  
Entertainment Points : 830  
Characters Points : 885

You notice that its mainly the other features outside the storyline making it so high!

Ratings are subjective and can vary incredibly between people, especially when the gender is different. The important thing is trying to put down in an organized and proper way what you think a series is worth for you.

If you can't trust these rankings, come here and ask me about it! Trust your favorite mascot character of the century! I promise I won't make you a mahou shoujo...maybe...

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1/1/2012 10:40:16 AM #

Dusk252

Exactly my point. Ratings have two uses for me: a personal one, which is to sort out your thoughts and preferences by comparing a show/game to what you've already watched/played and the other is to give useful information to others. Rating things to high just because you like them, even if you recognize its flaws, defeats mainly the second purpose, while rating it exaggeratedly low defeats both.

Madoka is my 3rd favorite anime, and one of the eight 10s I've given (though only because I don't use decimals). But I know that it isn't completely perfect, and I totally understood that guy's opinion. It's just that he admitted it had a "good and solid plot", yet gave it a 1/10. Which can only be explained as trying to bring down the average. (Probably due to being butthurt that his favorites hadn't got such an high average on the site.)

I see... Though how someone would give a 6.6 to the ridiculous story is beyond me^^ But well, it's also a matter of preference. My main problem is that the entertainment value for me was the lowest possible, and I also disliked the multimedia content with a passion (I've never hated the voice acting so much - I could only stand Yami's). I'm also obviously not a fan of harem comedies, so that altogether justifies my 3/10. My the thing is, I really found it awful, yet I still rated it a 3. People say a series is decent (or even good, as that guy with Madoka) and rate it a 1 simply because they believe said series doesn't deserve its present rating. And yeah, that's unreasonable.

Yep, true. Gender can play a huge role in opinions too. Especially when fanservice is a major component of a show.

Asking me to trust Kyuubey is a bit too much... Though the fact that you don't lie can be played into my hands, if I ask things clearly and extensively. We'll see xP

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1/1/2012 11:00:49 AM #

feal87

Yep, I have that ranking page exactly for these reasons and I tweak them very often in order to make them as "trustful" as possible!


Him being butthurt is a likely possibility. I think that anyway to give a real vote that matters (if he really want to promote the anime he like) he need to buy that product, the more dvd/manga volumes are sold, the more possibilities you'll get a new series similar to that.


Ahahah, being a pure comedy/harem comedy fan its easy for me to get into these ridiculous stories without feeling bad at all. Call it some kind of immunity?!
Your rating is anyway a proof of difference in tastes, that's normal. We're different and that's a great thing because only because we're different we can have discussions like these!

The reasoning behind the vote is important. You gave your reasons and I can understand that your vote is true to your tastes.

Definitely, even if that is not always the case. I heard more than once of girls who extremely like playing male oriented visual novels with a proper story. (They are rare, but they do exist. ;D)

Kyuubey is the most trustful ball of cuteness in the world. Together we'll save the universe Dusk252! *_*

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1/1/2012 2:16:15 AM #

Baka-Raptor

This is why I invented my own rating system. Everyone has a different idea of what a 9/10 is or what 3 stars is. With my own rating system, everyone knows where I stand.

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1/1/2012 9:49:12 AM #

feal87

Yeah, your rating system is definitely something particular I've never saw before and it looks good enough. The problem there is trying to understand if you're serious or not....

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1/1/2012 3:42:35 AM #

DragonHunter

I never rate an anime series 10/10. The maximum is probably 8 or 7 since most animes are pretty crappier by the day. Unless there is a 'wow' factor that makes it different than others, my rating would be around 6 to 7 for an average anime.

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1/1/2012 9:50:08 AM #

feal87

Reasonable point of view, I by myself never rated anything 10/10 as you can see by my rankings. There is always some kind of defect putting me off a bit...

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1/1/2012 4:26:53 AM #

Overlord-G

As you know...at least I think you do, my ratings are based on personal entertainment value. Usually shows I've given 8-10 ratings are shows I'd gladly watch over and over. I also do my best to explain why I gave such a rating. The same goes for the opposite when I think a show sucked beyond comprehension (Platonic Heart anyone?). What do I think about mainstream sites with a graph based ratings system such as Baka-Updates or Mangatraders? I don't trust them nor care. I just give 10s for no good reason other than I really liked what I watched or read.
Besides, it's not like I think my opinions are absolute...not by a long shot. Everyone has their own opinions and I welcome constructive criticism should it happen.

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1/1/2012 9:52:43 AM #

feal87

Yep, those are completely subjective ratings that are a bit exempt from this talk, but even there I doubt you would give 0 to a series like MajiKoi even if you loathed the story or not?


That's at least better than what the other do. Give 10 because you think that's a 10, not because someone else put 0 to low the average...


The world of anime/manga/VN is extremely subjective, there isn't much we can do with it.

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1/1/2012 5:41:19 PM #

Overlord-G

I think you saw my review of Majikoi and Maken-Ki. I didn't hate Majikoi as much as Maken-Ki but I won't deny Majikoi upset me quite a bit. You can check out exactly what I liked about it...if you haven't already.

To this day, Platonic Heart is the ONLY anime that upset me beyond comprehension, a title formerly held by Dokuro-chan...and I still loathe dokuro-chan with every fiber of my being.

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1/1/2012 5:46:01 PM #

feal87

Yeah, I read them, don't remember the exact ratings though and need to go check again (it was 5 or 6, not sure...)

Ahahah, Dokuro-chan had some funny bit to be honest, but yes the whole was not so good.

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1/1/2012 6:00:13 AM #

Hoshiko

"Because there are too many unnecessary 10 so I need to take down the average"! <- this is just so unfair.

Everyone gives score differently, but I would say 1/10 is a bit too low. The lowest I give is 6/10. Like you said, even if the story is terrible, I'm sure the animation or something deserve something more than a 1/10.

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1/1/2012 9:48:03 AM #

feal87

Not only unfair, but childish as well!


Agreed with you, its pretty much impossible to find something that is 1/10 in all regards and forms...

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1/2/2012 9:38:21 PM #

Nopy

I think the rankings manage to sort themselves out since it just ends up being a war between the 10/10 and 1/10 people. If there are more 10/10 people, the anime gets a higher score.

As for myself, I tend not to give ratings below 5/10, not because I think all anime are average or better, but because I only rate series that I finish. I usually drop anime that I think are 4/10 or lower, so they never make it to my rankings and it looks like I think all anime are good.

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1/2/2012 10:17:41 PM #

feal87

Its still a terribly sad way for the rankings to sort out themselves by battle of trolls, don't you agree?!

I agree, that's something that happen to me as well, I never reviewed a very horrible series till now because...well it isn't funny for me to write 500 words of plain bashing for a 4/10 rated series...

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2/25/2012 5:37:34 AM #

gena

i like the one with the cheer leaders and was wondering, is there a series/ can someone make a series of those girls? it wood be awesome to tagg my friends and me with!

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2/26/2012 7:20:14 AM #

feal87

Wait, it exist a series with these characters. It's called Angel Beats! I thought it was obvious to everyone...

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