The so-called Bishoujo phenomenon - Between battles and catfights!

by feal8714. December 2011 19:44

Hello everyone,

Today let's talk about something different than the usual anime coverage and let's give a look to one of the most common phenomenon in anime that somehow during the course of the years become oblivious to most of us.

I'm talking about the "Bishoujo Phenomenon", the rule for which every anime series (talking about male oriented one, of course) must have one or many beautiful girls fit in the storyline as important or recurring characters in order to be famous.

While this may sound strange or difficult to believe, try to think about the series you watched in the last 5 years and try to tell me one series who doesn't have a BEAUTIFUL girl into a main/recurring role...

Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai

Honestly I can only think of a couple of popular titles with such a feature and while the series were watched by lots of males I'm not even sure they're male oriented in the first place... 

This may tick off many peoples out there who still thinks that "fanservice is evil and unnecessary", because as we know fanservice (in the form of beautiful girls in the male oriented series) is an integral part of pretty much every story with some small exceptions.

Be it in an open way like what we got with Infinite Stratos, Cube x Cursed x Curious, etc.. or in a subtle one like what we got in Fate Stay Night, Code Geass, etc...

In order to better explain this concept and try to understand its implication, let's try to think about what could have happened if we replaced all the bishoujos in some plot-heavy anime with a male counterpart (or a "normal looking girl" like the ones from Jellyfish Princess).

Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai

Let's start up with one of the most acclaimed anime series from pretty much all the bloggers of the world which I positioned #7 in the anime series rankings named Code Geass. Who doesn't know Code Geass?!

It's famous for great and deep storyline, charming main character and interesting villains! Let's try to change every female in a recurring position (except for Lelouch's mother for obvious reasons) with a male and see what happen!

What would have been of Lelouch and C.C. close "friend" relationship? What about Euphemia and Shirley's tragic and emotional deaths? What about Nunnaly's position as weak and frail sister together with the shock after the first Fleya launch? What about Lelouch and Kallen?!

Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai

Let's now talk about a more recent successfull series I positioned #2 in the anime rankings named "Steins Gate". It is definitely a story with a solid plot and many twists and one of the masterpieces of the last years.

Let's change all the lab members to be males and see what happen. Would it still be interesting in the first place in this new way? Will Mayuri's massive quantity of death be shocking at the same level using a male character instead of a female one?

What about the whole Okabe/Kurisu love/hate relationship? What about the sadness we all got after reading Suzuha's mail from the past (the one in which she talks about her failure)?

Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai

I think that both series would have been ruined (at least for my standards) by changing the current composition of the cast because, in a way, the "emotional link" the girls provided was a vital part of the story.

The question I ask myself in this situation is "where to draw the line?". Is there really a correct quantity of beautiful girls to put in a particular anime series?

From my (terribly biased for anyone who read this blog from more than two weeks) point of view, there should not be any kind of limit on the quantity of bishoujos in an anime series! 

Because in the end the more bishoujos, the better! We may even have to fight less between us when claiming our new wifes...:P

Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai

And you? What do you think of the presence of fanservice (and bishoujos) in the current anime series?!

Do you have an idea to make a male-oriented series that doesn't rely on beautiful girls in any main/recurring role and still be successfull?!

See you soon,

feal87

Comments (36) -

12/14/2011 9:55:29 PM #

marthaurion

honestly, I like when a show puts in the effort to be a bit tactful about their fanservice. Sure boob grabs are nice, but I always felt things like Fear's panty shot while she's searching around in the first episode and Kuroe's recent repeat of that were just a bit excessive. I just feel like fanservice works better when it's supplementary to the plot, rather than just in your face.

I feel like you might have gone a bit extreme with your examples. I mean, a male and female dynamic is pretty essential in just about any story. You can't really just suggest taking all of the girls out. Now if you were to say something like "what if we took out all of the panty shots, cleavage shots, Kallen in a bunny suit scenes, then what would the show be?", then you might have something more to say. Even "what if we halved the boob size of every character in Code Geass?" would have worked better. That being said...I really can't speculate how that would have changed my opinion of the show. I'd like to think that it wouldn't have changed much, but that may just be my brain going "I'm normal! I'm not overrun by the appeal of bishoujos!"

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12/14/2011 10:02:39 PM #

feal87

That's something I have to agree with you. Fanservice is better when its supplementary to the plot, like it happens on many plot-driven series like Code Geass, Darker Than Black, etc, but I have to add that I don't dislike some mindless fun with random fanservice from time to time.
Call it some kind of "guilty" choice...


Yep, going with the male example was an extreme one, but even changing all the female cast of Code Geass with the female cast of Jellyfish princess would have worked at the same way. Try to think of any of these girls 2.bp.blogspot.com/.../1287453455987.jpg instead of C.C. and Kallen...and tell me about how much the opinion of the show would have changed.

The point is not much about male or female, but about BEAUTIFUL female against normal female. The beautiful part is what should be unnecessary, but in the end it becomes necessary...

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12/14/2011 10:19:17 PM #

marthaurion

I dunno. I feel like sometimes shows run into this problem of "I don't know if the viewers will get that this is fanservice, so maybe we should just have her top disintegrate when she gets hit." I feel like this is the wrong way of thinking. I just feel like the very obvious stuff distracts too much from the plot (but I guess it's not a problem if there is no plot lol). I think that if you have to risk people not understanding, it still works out better that way.

Like I said, I really can't comment how my opinion would change without certain elements because I couldn't possibly get my mind into that sort of state where I could filter out everything I've seen.

Also, you mentioned the more bishoujos proclamation and I wonder about that. Creating more bishoujos in a show certainly creates this sort of "something for everyone" idea to increase the appeal, but I think it runs into the problem of "well, how many different types of girls can we make before we have to start recycling them with different names and hair colors?" Also, throwing in all of these girls runs the risk of creating an ending where the male lead doesn't choose anyone (WHICH IS INFURIATING).

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12/14/2011 10:29:44 PM #

feal87

I agree with you that unnecessary fanservice distract from the plot and even series with a good premise (Seikon no Qwaser) becomes unwatchable due to heavy fanservice that are near to borderline hentai...

Ahahah, definitely not a problem if there is no plot in the first place. (Infinite Stratos is an example of such a theory)


Well, true enough. From the little mental training I've been doing I would be lolling too hard at seeing a Code Geass with Jellyfish princess cast...


Definitely true, that's one of the objectives of many series, because as we know most of the gain in sales from anime are from MERCHANDISE and not the anime by itself. Hence the need to charm as many viewers as possible...

Most of them fall into one or another category, but at the same time if the character is done correctly it doesn't get boring or repetitive. (Charlotte from IS is clichè, but I LOVE HER)

I don't like open-end conclusion with no girl choosen, but I'm not even really infuriated by them. Maybe I'm getting too used to see them in every other harem series...

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12/14/2011 10:43:46 PM #

marthaurion

right right...I forgot there are ppl like you with figures sitting in their room. Sometimes I miss that fact since I don't do that


also, I don't know if you're "less fighting over bishoujos" theory is so sound when there are certain ppl (no one we know in particular...especially ppl whose names start with f) who will just claim everyone

I dunno...to me, when the male lead has like 5 choices in front of him and he's like "let's all be friends," my brain almost implodes. I mean, if the series ended where the male lead ended up getting his choices ripped away (not referencing any specific series Code Geass), then I wouldn't mind so much with a no-girl ending

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12/14/2011 10:47:41 PM #

feal87

"STILL" don't do that, I would add. There is a Maxima waiting for you! Pick her up, she's feeling sad...


I...I...don't claim everyone, just the one I like who for some reason tend to match perfectly with "everyone"! But it's a coincidence!


Honestly, I agree with you because if I were in the position of any of the harem male lead I will just decide for the one I most like and be over with it. Unfortunately if they do this, they'll anger all the other fans so its a risky choice.

Just see Mashiro Iro Symphony which I started to hate right after they choose to do the route I most hated. (Miu Route)

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12/14/2011 10:56:33 PM #

marthaurion

Maxima can keep waiting >.>

I never said it was you...who would ever suggest such a thing?

But if they don't choose, they anger me :O
I guess I kinda see that...they introduce Airi first, hint at Sana, then BOOM! it's Miu...I had to double take a few times

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12/14/2011 11:00:15 PM #

feal87



I was just trying to defend myself by any kind of possible remote accusation...


Fortunately I can play the game again and get all the happy end I want with Sakuno, Airi and the others...that's the magic of visual novels after all! Or not?!

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12/14/2011 11:01:43 PM #

marthaurion

Sakuno, huh? I see how it is.........

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12/14/2011 11:04:30 PM #

feal87

She's so damn cute in the visual novel! Try to give it a shot if it ever get translated!

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12/14/2011 10:12:04 PM #

Yerocha

I suppose it's all in what you consider to be attractive. It's rare to see characters who aren't either attractive in some way or deliberately designed to be unattractive. And I don't think there are too many people who would deliberately design all their characters as plain. I really don't believe there's that big of a problem unless you're designing everyone as being beautiful in the exact same way. Beauty is a bit of a subjective thing, after all. Lots of people would consider Yukiko or Rise to be the most attractive, but of course we think a bit differently.

Now that I think about it, there aren't many attractive women in Toriko. One of the most major female characters looks like she should be in a rocking chair knitting sweaters.

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12/14/2011 10:16:25 PM #

feal87

Yep, that's the idea and my critic over many other bloggers criticizing fanservice! The characters by themselves are fanservice, because its impossible for a character in an anime series is unattractive unless its designed to be so (Jellyfish princess).

Of course beauty is completely a subjective thing and that's why we get plenty of choices into our animes like we do in Persona 4.
By the way, Chie's beauty is OBJECTIVE! Nobody can deny it!


Ouch, you hit me on a bad point. I skipped that series exactly because there wasn't any character who interested me.

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12/14/2011 10:47:17 PM #

Yerocha

I've seen more than my share of series where attractive characters don't feel exploited. Like Cindy from Squid Girl, who constantly walks around in a skimpy swimsuit and it's very easy to forget that she's doing it. As long as it doesn't feel obtrusive, I don't think it should matter how attractive the character is.

Of course her beauty is objective. ^_^ It's which one is the most attractive where subjectivity factors in.

By the way, I'm not seeing any posts about Jellyfish Princess. What exactly did you think of it?

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12/14/2011 10:51:42 PM #

feal87

Squid girl does use a big quantity of beautiful characters, but being a pure comedy series it doesn't really stand up too much like in other series.
At the same time, I saw many squid girl doujin cover, so there should be someone who even in this situation thinks of her in a fanservice way...


No no, you misunderstood me. Chie is a goddess, there can't be anyone more attractive than her...


Didn't had much time to cover it with some posts, but it was an enjoyable experience. A lot different from what we're currently used in anime and probably if done by another studio could have turned a lot more popular than it actually is at the moment.

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12/14/2011 11:02:05 PM #

Yerocha

You know, I could argue about Chie if I didn't agree so hard.

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12/14/2011 11:05:07 PM #

feal87

BROTHER! Let's create our alliance in her name!

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12/15/2011 6:05:40 AM #

SparkNorkx

Interesting article.

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12/15/2011 9:32:22 AM #

feal87

One more enemy for the conquest of my wifes...

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12/15/2011 8:12:23 AM #

cheezeburgerz

I vote for Minami and Chris even though this post doesn't involve much of Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai. (I dunno but some people call it Majikoi)

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12/15/2011 9:32:53 AM #

feal87

Yukie and Miyako for me! They're perfect. *_*

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12/15/2011 10:03:37 AM #

cheezeburgerz

**** derp >.> her name was Miyako. Where the hell did I get the name Minami?

Miyako's pretty funny and most of the time she's the one who'd give the first laugh for each episode.

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12/15/2011 10:04:59 AM #

feal87

Oh well, maybe Minami from Baka Test? She's nice as well so I don't mind.


Yep, in the original game she's even more interesting and has plenty of screen time! She even has a route all for herself in which she finally manage to conquer Yamato's heart in one way or another...

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12/15/2011 10:14:34 AM #

cheezeburgerz

Majikoi was originally a game? O_o I didn't know that

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12/15/2011 10:16:50 AM #

feal87

Of course, it is a visual novel like many others then adapted into an anime. A REALLY crappy anime compared to the great original work to be honest...

http://vndb.org/v1143

Here are some info over it. I read it when it first got released, but I heard there are some translation projects out there. Just search for it...


Surprised?

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12/15/2011 10:18:55 AM #

cheezeburgerz

Well not that much surprised but hey, looks cool. And now to find a way to get this game and play it... Care to help?

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12/15/2011 10:21:59 AM #

feal87

Be careful that I specified this is a "Visual Novel" so its a "game", but more like a book with voice and images in its own rights.

Search on google for more info on how to get it in english. I heard it was Yandere Translation to keep this project, don't know much more sorry.

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12/15/2011 10:27:48 AM #

cheezeburgerz

I hope this game works because I heard that you cannot run a JP game just by DLing it then clicking it like minesweeper.

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12/15/2011 10:30:35 AM #

feal87

Well, just follow one of the gazillion of guides online on youtube to make it work if you get any problem...

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12/15/2011 1:37:48 PM #

Hoshiko

Who doesn't like pretty girls right? When you asked if there are any anime who doesn't have a beautiful character in main/recurring role, I can only think of one - Kuragehime.

I don't mind a little fanservice really but not too much please.

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12/15/2011 2:00:58 PM #

feal87

Yep, pretty girls are the main thing that let you understand clearly its a male oriented anime after all...


Yeah, I quoted that as well (Jellyfish Princess), but I think that is classified as "Josei" as market share.

There are levels of fanservice, some excessive (Seikon no Qwaser), some just right (Infinite Stratos), but in the end it depends on the tastes I suppose.

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12/15/2011 8:22:35 PM #

EroJun

Imo anime can't be interesting without girls, moe or not. The noun we know as "girl" simply can't be replaced by anything else in anime. Every anime that doesn't have girls is G*Y, that's all. (With the exception of traps btw)

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12/15/2011 8:23:55 PM #

feal87

Oh, that's it! He is saying the pure truth, bishoujos are the way! Bishoujos are the future!


(I knew you would say something about traps, especially if we see your avatar...)

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12/18/2011 2:12:31 AM #

tsurugiarashix

Depends on a lot of factors me. It is fine to have a couple of Bishoujo/harem/fanservice titles around, but to me, you can only do the samething (or with variation anyway) a few times over before it gets old. I always appreciate a balance of the two when seeking a series to watch, but rarely does that exist. However, admittedly, I do focus to see if their is a cute imouto or hot female in the mix when I do choose a series, but not necessarily a requirement for me every time. Simply it just comes down to balance and content. There is still a need for the Bishoujo, harem, and ecchi genres in the world as much as their is for series like Steins;Gate, Baccano, or any other.

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12/18/2011 10:16:38 AM #

feal87

I like watching series with beautiful characters, but fanservice (excessive one) as you said is not really needed for most series.

I do pick up games depending on graphical style and heroines though, I couldn't listen for 40+ hours to a character I don't like...


But still even series that shouldn't need it are filled with bishoujo (Exactly Baccano and Steins Gate). That's the reality where we live in it seems...

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12/18/2011 4:17:39 AM #

Nopy

I've always loved bishoujo's, but there are a number of series that I've enjoyed that only had average-looking girls:
Arakawa Under the Bridge
Eden of the East
FLCL
Karigurashi no Arrietty
Kimi ni Todoke
Kino no Tabi
Ouran High School Host Club
Pale Cocoon
Steamboy
Usagi Drop

Most of these series are either emotional, thought-provoking, action-centric, or comedies. Those seem to be the best types to get by without any beautiful girls.

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12/18/2011 10:10:15 AM #

feal87

Did you understand that you mentioned mostly female oriented anime (Josei or Shoujo)?


But I agree that sometimes comedies may lack the presence of a bishoujo...

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