Fate / Zero - Rider rules! Assassin is dead? I'm not sure!

by feal8710. December 2011 20:00

Hello everyone,

Here we are to talk about the 11th episode of the much anticipated "action" anime series of this fall season 2011 named Fate/Zero that is slowly coming to an end.

Why "action" you say? Well, because this episode was the lowest in terms of production quality (really bad drawn animation in some scenes) and quantity of action scenes (apart from the short Rider battle at the end).

I was expecting some crazy fight combination between Saber, Gilgamesh and Rider, but everything ended up with some random "let's bully Saber for her foolish dream" type of content.

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The episode starts with Saber and Irisviel getting approached by Rider who instead of trying to fight and kill Saber in combat decide to bore her to death thanks to the help of his buddy Gilgamesh.

The whole majority of the episode was focused on the way of living of the three old heroes and the reason they have to pursue the grail.

Gilgamesh just want to keep all the treasures for himself, Rider want to get a new life in order to conquer the new world as well, Saber want to fix the past in order to save Britain.

Yes, the 90% of the episode was just focused on these three heroes talking, while drinking wine, about what is a "king" and why Saber is a bad one.

While I can understand that we need some separation between the various battles, I do think there are better way to put in fillers. Yes, because in the end everyone who watched Fate/Stay Night knows of Saber's dream and her whole situation.

The animation quality was really degraded in this episode and it makes me think that the studio tried to fool his way through one episode in order to get some time to prepare the last battles of the season.

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The only remarkable scene was the final battle between Iskandar and the assassin's army. His special power (reality marble) allows him to call his army back from the world of the dead and use them as "low level" servant.

While I don't think any of them will have any chance fighting against a Saber or Archer (both Excalibur and Ea looks perfect to destroy the whole army with one hit), they are perfect to kill the army of powerless assassins!

Next episode will probably go back to talk about the Lancer/Kayneth/Sola-Ui pair and hopefully we'll finally get the demise of the creepy Caster together with his master.

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Concluding, while extremely disappointed by this episode I'm still looking forward to watch and blog the final battle between Caster and Saber!

See you soon,

feal87 

Comments (57) -

12/10/2011 9:26:03 PM #

alex

I dropped it a few ep. ago, I think when I started to watch Super-dimensional Fortress. It just led to nowhere
The fights were underwhelming, they came, talked, they went. I was disappointed because I liked FsN much end expected F/Z would be better than it is.

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12/10/2011 9:33:17 PM #

feal87

Agreed man, they talked the whole episode about what is a king and what is not a king. I was honestly bored, Rider saved the day with the final battle, but meh...

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12/10/2011 10:21:42 PM #

Veldril

Well, for someone who experiences Fate/Stay Night to it fullest (complete the Visual Novel game), gate anime is really really suck. Fate/Zero is a godsend that salvages this franchise's animes.

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12/10/2011 10:25:01 PM #

feal87

I completed the visual novel in original language years ago and I agree with you that the level of detail is completely different compared to the tv anime.
Still the different genre between the two works is what makes the people get confused as you can see, they were expecting more FSN and got something different. Not inherently bad, but different...

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12/10/2011 10:52:33 PM #

alex

I wasn't expecting something like FsN but something at least as good as FsN but they ruin it with all the talk and the battles that consist of talking. I was expecting an action show. And who really gives a shit about the info dump...
When I remember the first episode, what a pain, they needed 40 minutes for only info dumping when only the last seconds were really interesting.

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12/10/2011 10:56:31 PM #

feal87

Hey, but at least we got Tokiomi walking in circles around Kirei in the first episode. That was an awkward scene for sure...

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12/11/2011 8:40:26 AM #

Rei

Why do you expect Fate/Zero to be more of a FSN. I don't care if they talk all day. It's still awesome. I'd take DragonBall Z for an example. They talk a lot but it's still awesome. You really should read the Visual Novel. It is nothing like FSN. Go watch some other shows if you expect it to be one.

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12/11/2011 9:55:04 AM #

feal87

Hey, talk a lot is one thing. Spend 20 minutes talking with still images as background is another...


I think another studio could have pulled something better on these lines. I'm not thinking of cutting down the talk, but showing more flashbacks and other details of their lifes. Watching heads talking isn't really an interesting thing to see...

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12/11/2011 9:58:34 AM #

Rei

No idea why they did that. The visual novel was definitely different. More stuff than the anime. It should be the other way around but oh well...

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12/11/2011 10:00:02 AM #

feal87

Definitely bad work from ufotable this time around. Between CGs and this episode they failed me...

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12/11/2011 10:09:26 AM #

Rei

It's alright. There is always the next episode. I was hoping they could have some backstory just like how they did back a few episodes. Remember the Lancer backstory. That was awesome!

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12/11/2011 10:12:35 AM #

feal87

Oh yeah, but probably next episode will focus on "kill caster - the game"!

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12/11/2011 12:29:09 PM #

alex

Well I would normally continue to watch it but when I have something better to watch I watch that.
And other issue I have with F/Z is that there aren't characters I like enough to watch it and too many characters and no development for them. In GC I can at least watch the parts with the girls and hope Arisa gets some scenes.

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12/11/2011 12:32:06 PM #

feal87

Agreed with this, the characters are non-interesting and not-developed till now. If it wasn't for our mythical loli-Rin...

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12/10/2011 10:18:37 PM #

Veldril

The truth is, Fate/Zero is not that of a heavy action oriented novel/anime. It is more of the exploration of the concept of what is hero, good/evil and ideals. Actions are meant to illustrate those concepts and their contradictions, not just for the sake of fight.

In this episode, the battle began since when they started a discussion. It is not a battle that is fought with swords, but with words and ideals of the Kings. They have their pride of a King on the line. Rider's Noble Phantasm is just for illustration of his ideal (hence it's being Reality Marble, projecting his soul on the world).

Veldril | 3 Comments | Reply

12/10/2011 10:22:35 PM #

feal87

But still having an entire episode of people talking with no progress whatsoever and with mediocre level of visual quality was a bad idea imho coming from a studio like ufotable.

While I appreciated the whole exposition, most of us come here expecting something similar to Fate Stay Night and got a bit underwhelmed.
It is still a good anime series, over the average of the last years! But still, I think some other studio could have adapted this better.

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12/10/2011 10:36:44 PM #

Veldril

The thing is that the anime is so bad that it gave people false impression of what really is the Fate series. Fate/Zero is actually have a very similar theme to Fate/Stay Night, it's just the latter anime becomes a glorified action anime without its true essence.

I would say that ufotable adapts this as closest to the novel so I don't complain that much with the whole talking. And I think all of the cut scenes will be in BD.

And I think I won't be really surprised if ufotable redraw this episode for BD

Veldril | 3 Comments | Reply

12/10/2011 10:40:24 PM #

feal87

Maybe I'm getting old, but the visual novel of Fate Stay Night was filled with battles. A really big number of battles filling up the game from the start till the end, Fate Zero on the other side is quite lacking till now. (but there is hope in the second season
)

Well, yes apart from the Rin original chapter, the rest is pretty close to the novels...

Now that would be a nice thing to do, they need to improve the quality!

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12/11/2011 12:52:25 AM #

marthaurion

sigh...can't believe they delayed persona 4 to sub this

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12/11/2011 1:51:16 AM #

SparkNorkx

Lol, I don't watch Persona and I don't mind. ;)

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12/11/2011 9:41:03 AM #

feal87

You! Infidel! At the arms!

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12/11/2011 9:40:42 AM #

feal87

Well, one day before or after doesn't change our life!
Today is Persona day!

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12/11/2011 2:53:01 AM #

tsurugiarashix

This actually was not quite a bad episode. Somewhat key to the next Grail War and her critical stance toward Shiro's idealism's even though you do not get that yet pronounced. With just straight up fighting all the time and no idealism or intrigue to support it, the series would be shallow. I was disappointed too with the lack of action, but this was needed too just about as any other action scene. However, Ufotable is all about theatrics, so another studio could of did the same without much of the extra fluff.

Look the bright side: You got to see Assassin cower like a little girl
  

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12/11/2011 9:42:41 AM #

feal87

Yeah, but its in the end a copy of what happened in FSN with all the Shirou vs Saber talks. Nothing really new added to the mix, Saber is still the hardhead that we always knew...


Hey, but ufotable is reknown for their great animation. In this case it was terribly lacking in that regard.

Being Assassin is suffering...

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12/11/2011 7:07:54 AM #

Leap250

Ah, yes, the "Mad Feast of Kings", not much "Mad" as I have hoped for. I didn't mind the lack of action as much. Urobuchi Gen's writing is more detailed compared to Nasu, and, like in episode 1, this was probably the only way they could've gone about with a dialogue heavy episode.

That being said, the dialogue was really good, though I do admit they took advantage of that to tone down the animation quality. On the bright side we see Rider's Ionian Hetairoi in action ^^

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12/11/2011 9:44:00 AM #

feal87

Yeah, the style is different and honestly I prefer Nasu at this point. Nothing to say to our little Gen!


I still think that Rider's power is useless against Saber and Gilgamesh. I can already see in my eyes these poor soldiers fly away against a full power Excalibur or Ea...

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12/11/2011 10:16:23 AM #

Leap250

Funny that you mention those two, lol, but I'll keep the spoilers to myself.

Hoping they end the first half with a bang ^^

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12/11/2011 10:18:43 AM #

feal87

Awwwwwwww, these novels readers! They tease me!


Oh yeah, hopefully it will be Caster to go bang!

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12/11/2011 10:22:18 AM #

Leap250

or, y'know, more Rin :3

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12/11/2011 10:25:05 AM #

feal87

Where do I have to sign to get more Rin?! Where?!

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12/11/2011 9:17:25 AM #

Rei

At the Ufotable Cafe realtime screening of Fate/Zero ep11, the staff confirmed that the BD version of ep11 will be a complete version with over 5 minutes of additional footage which they couldn't fit on the TV broadcast.

That is something to not be disappointed at. The episode wasn't bad. The Noble Phantasm part was amazing!! Rider is the boss!

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12/11/2011 9:45:00 AM #

feal87

Oh, interesting! More talk?! That is something to look forward to.


Rider is definitely Boss, but he looks like he's pretty weak if that's the best he can do as power...

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12/11/2011 9:49:26 AM #

alex

yeah 5 minutes of more info dump they couldn't fit into the episode

well it's sure it won't be 5 minutes of action...

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12/11/2011 9:52:55 AM #

feal87

Probably it will be Tokiomi and Kirei talking to send Assassin to die! Try to think about it!

Tokiomi while walking in circles around Kirei and drinking wine for 5 minutes decide to send Assassin...

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12/11/2011 3:37:25 PM #

marthaurion

maybe Rin will show up

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12/11/2011 3:38:46 PM #

feal87

And....she decide to send Assassin to die?! :O

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12/11/2011 3:40:37 PM #

marthaurion

so manipulative, our cute princess :O

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12/11/2011 3:41:44 PM #

feal87

Everything can be forgiven if you're cute like loli Rin!

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12/11/2011 3:42:13 PM #

marthaurion

...that might be the end of us all

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12/11/2011 9:57:18 AM #

Rei

Well one that I know that will appear in the BD is the part where Gilgamesh told Rider that he will die the next time he meets him
Not sure about the others but i'll be sure to watch it again

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12/11/2011 10:01:00 AM #

feal87

Oh, interesting, so it will be Ea or Gate of Babylon to clear out that army of soldiers? Gate of Babylon looks appropriate...


Of course I'll watch it as well...

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12/11/2011 10:07:58 AM #

Rei

I'm not so sure if it could defeat all the servants. I hope it will be a good fight. Lets just hope so.

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12/11/2011 10:13:03 AM #

feal87

As Dan would say "Just show your guts Rider!"

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12/11/2011 10:29:43 AM #

AceRailgun

I enjoyed this episode. Sure it was talking but it was interesting talking. The whole bit with Rider and his army at the end was totally worth waiting an entire episode for.

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12/11/2011 10:31:37 AM #

feal87

Ahahah, true enough, but Assassin should have tried to defend himself at the very least.

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12/11/2011 10:46:02 AM #

AceRailgun

Yeah all the assassin's died pretty quick. I guess when you don't have the element of surprise throwing knives just don't cut it.

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12/11/2011 10:48:56 AM #

feal87

Yeah, and his power was probably very limited compared to a proper named hero like Alexander the Great...

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12/11/2011 10:51:36 AM #

AceRailgun

True. Assassin is just a normal person with a bit of combat training. Nothing special when compared to a king.

I wonder if that was all the assassin's.

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12/11/2011 11:18:02 AM #

feal87

Yep, especially because the power of servant in the Fate world is linked to how famous they were...


Well, no clue to be honest, but probably yes...

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12/11/2011 6:24:40 PM #

sandybell

I disagree. I loved this episode. The dialogue was intelligent and powerful. If this series was just about the fights, then it'd be just another shonen series. The dialogue adds a lot of flavor to the series.

Think about how different FMA Brotherhood would have been if it was just fight after fight between alchemists and homonculous.

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12/11/2011 6:28:05 PM #

feal87

I can agree that we need some kind of "pause", but in 11 episodes (actually 12) we got 4 fights worth of notice and 2 of them were riddled with in-talk during the whole duration of it. (Like the boring Lancer X Saber fight)

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12/12/2011 12:20:15 AM #

Kai

I think those familiar with F/SN would have expected to have a lot of talking, and I actually love this episode <3 Watching the two kings with two different views clash together is good.. and saber got told D; It's weird she still has the same ideal even in F/SN even when she know she shouldn't pursue what she was pursuing. I guess the only downside is that Gilgamesh is too quiet.. >_>

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12/12/2011 9:34:18 AM #

feal87

I felt this whole as a review of the stuff we already saw in FSN with Saber talking about idiot stuff, etc..etc..
But well, at least we now know Rider's true power...


Gilgamesh is a man of few words...and many bladeds...

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12/12/2011 9:17:26 AM #

Wieselhead

Well, I understand your point, but it wasn't the worst episode for me. I was entertained most of the time, maybe they could be a bit more to the point with the things they were saying.
They wanted to show the differences between the characters, I guess these 3 will be the last remaining fighters in the end.

It was interesting to see how Rider broke his thin bonds with Saber, after he heard about her motivations to get the Grail.
She had very weak scenes this time, I lost a bit of sympathy for her as well. I don't like Rider as much as before either. Back to cheering for Gilgamesh ^^

Kudos for slaughtering Assassin, even though it was totally unfair in terms of numbers. They should have accepted a drink with Rider XD.

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12/12/2011 9:36:51 AM #

feal87

I repeat, the whole talk was ok, but I think it could have be done with more flashbacks and details from another studio instead of giving us still shots of talking heads...


It's all about bullying Saber! Oh yeah, but in the end Rider's dream is even more despicable as its egocentric like nothing!


Agreed, drink and that's it. You're assassin after all! Why don't do you attack from the shadow?!

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12/21/2011 12:50:10 AM #

Moriae

Ea can because of the Anti-World properties (which is what fucks it, IIRC), but Excalibur doesn't (Alexander can, IIRC, move away his soldiers and relocate them within the Reality Marble with a thought and he has advantage against Anti-Army/Castle attacks due to his High Military Strategy stats which allows. Sadly Ea is Anti-World LOL). Saber herself realizes it won't work at her favor. Saber's EX NP is Avalon, not Excalibur (Ionian Hetairoi is superior in stats).

What messes with Rider more is the same it messed up with Saber when she was under Shirou: limited prana supply (he refuses to take Waver's and uses his own) and he's too noble to do the soul eating crap. If he had any other Master, he would fare way better.

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12/21/2011 11:25:53 PM #

feal87

Oh lol, well Ea is overpowered anyway, but I thank you for the precise explanation!


Oh, interesting. I didn't know he wasn't using Waver's prana instead of his own. That's definitely one of the reason then...

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